Spherical Multipoles for q charges at different locations

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The problem involves calculating the charge density distribution and spherical multipoles for a system of three point charges: two charges of magnitude q located at (0,0,a) and (0,0,-a), and a charge of -2q at the origin. The context is set within spherical coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the charge density representation using Dirac delta functions and question the correctness of the angular coordinates used in the density function. There is exploration of the implications of using different values for theta, particularly regarding the integration of the charge density and its relation to the spherical multipoles.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the accuracy of their charge density expressions and the resulting multipole calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to ensure that the charge density integrates correctly over space to yield the total charge, and there is acknowledgment of the need to adjust the density terms appropriately.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of using spherical coordinates and the associated mathematical expressions, particularly in relation to the surface area of spheres and the integration of delta functions. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the charge density reflects the physical setup accurately.

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Homework Statement


2 q charges are placed at (0,0,a) and (0,0,-a) and a third charge -2q is placed at the origin.
1. find the charge density distribution in spherical coordinates.
2. Find all the spherical multipoles of the above distribution.



Homework Equations


The spherical multiple formula:
[tex]q_{l,m}=\int r^2 r^l sin(\theta) dr d\theta d\phi Y*_{l,m}(\theta,\phi) \rho[/tex] where rho is the charge density, Y_l,m are the spherical harmonics.

The Attempt at a Solution


1. Here's what I got by dirac delta function:
[tex]\rho =-2q\delta (r)\delta (\theta) \delta (\phi)+ q\delta(r-a) \delta(\theta-\pi/2) delta(\phi) +q\delta (r-a) \delta(\theta +\pi/2) \delta (\phi)[/tex].

2. q_{0,0}=1/sqrt(4pi)[qa^2-qa^2]=0
q_{1,0}=sqrt(3/4pi)[0+0]=0
q_{1,+-1}=-+sqrt(3/8pi)[qa^3+qa^3]=-+2sqrt(3/8pi) qa^3
q_{2,0}=0
and the rest spherical multipoles are vanishing cause Y_{l,m} is a multiplication of P_l(cos(theta)) (Legendre polyonimal) and exp(m\phi) and cosine(+-pi/2)=0

So we are left with only one multiple here, am I right or wrong?
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
1. Here's what I got by dirac delta function:
[tex]\rho =-2q\delta (r)\delta (\theta) \delta (\phi)+ q\delta(r-a) \delta(\theta-\pi/2) delta(\phi) +q\delta (r-a) \delta(\theta +\pi/2) \delta (\phi)[/tex].

That doesn't look right to me...[itex]\theta=\pm\pi/2[/itex] corresponds to a point in the xy-plane, not on the z-axis...
 
So theta should be pi and -pi?

If it's pi instead of pi/2 then I get that all the multipoles are zero because sin(+-pi)=0, and this doesn't look right to me either.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
So theta should be pi and -pi?

Yes.

If it's pi instead of pi/2 then I get that all the multipoles are zero because sin(+-pi)=0, and this doesn't look right to me either.

Slow down there...you still have another problem with your charge density...if you integrate each term over all space, you should get the charge of each corresponding point charge...do you?
 
Yes you are quite right I need to divide by [tex]4\pi a^2[/tex] which is the surface area of a sphere with radius a.
 
No, obviously this isn't right either, I guess I need to divide this by r^2 sin(theta), I mean each term in the density I need to divide by this factor.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
No, obviously this isn't right either, I guess I need to divide this by r^2 sin(theta), I mean each term in the density I need to divide by this factor.

Okay, that should work...now what do you get for the multipoles?
 

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