Solute Particle Count in KBr, HCl &Na_2CO_3

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of solute particles in various aqueous solutions, specifically comparing KBr, HCl, and Na2CO3. The original poster seeks clarification on how to equate the number of particles in these solutions based on their concentrations and dissociation properties.

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  • Participants explore the concept of solute particle count, questioning the relationship between moles of solute and the number of particles produced upon dissociation. There is also a shift to a new problem regarding the concentration of sulfate ions in a solution containing potassium nitrate and potassium sulfate, with participants expressing uncertainty about how to approach it.

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Some participants have provided insights into the dissociation of KBr and HCl, noting the resulting ions and their contributions to the total particle count. However, the original poster's follow-up question about sulfate concentration indicates a transition to a different problem, with some guidance offered on how to relate the concentrations of ions.

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Participants mention the assumption of complete dissociation for the calculations and the lack of additional information regarding the ratio of potassium nitrate to potassium sulfate, which is crucial for solving the second problem.

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Question:

Which of the following aqueous solutions contain(s) the same number of particles of solute as are contained in 250 mL of 2.0 mol/L KBr

(i) 1.0 L of 1.0 mol/L ethanol, [tex]C_2H_5OH[/tex]
(ii) 250 mL of 3.0 mol/L calcium chloride, [tex]CaCl_2[/tex]
(iii) 500 mL of 1.0 mol/L hydrochloric acid, [tex]HCl[/tex]
(iv) 500 mL of 1.0 mol/L sodium carbonate, [tex]Na_2CO_3[/tex]

The way I see it, there are 0.25 x 2 = 0.5 moles of KBr
and 0.5 x 1 = 0.5 moles of [tex]HCl[/tex] and [tex]Na_2CO_3[/tex] in (iii) and (iv). Since they all have the same number of moles, they should have the same number of atoms? Is that what they mean by "same number of particles of solute"?

But according to the answer guide, it says that the answers are (i) and (iii).
 
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[itex]KBr[/itex] will dissociate into [itex]K^+[/itex] and [itex]Br^-[/itex], so there will be 0.5 + 0.5 = 1.0 mol of ions. [itex]C_{2}H_{5}OH[/itex] is not soluble in water, leaving 1.0 x 1.0 = 1.0 mol of molecules. [itex]HCl[/itex] will dissociate into [itex]H^+[/itex] and [itex]Cl^-[/itex], so there will be 0.5 + 0.5 = 1.0 mol of ions.
 
Thanks a lot! I understand better now. However, there is still another problem I am stuck with and can't seem to figure out:

A solution contains potassium nitrate and potassium sulphate. The concentration of potassium ions is 0.650 mol/L and of nitrate ions is 0.400 mol/L. What is the concentration of the sulfate ions?

I don't even know where to start? :( Can someone give me hints?
 
recon said:
A solution contains potassium nitrate and potassium sulphate. The concentration of potassium ions is 0.650 mol/L and of nitrate ions is 0.400 mol/L. What is the concentration of the sulfate ions?

You can start by comparing the concentration of sulfate to the concentration of potassium ions (1:2 - sulfate has charge of -2, whereas potassium has a charge of +1). I don't see how you can solve this without knowing the ratio of potassium nitrate to potassium sulfate, though - or, more accurately, the ratio of nitrate to sulfate. Are you sure there is no more information given?
 
We are allowed to refer to the Periodic Table of Elements if that is what you mean. Other than that, we are not given anything else.

EDIT: We were given four choices for the answer. They are
A. 0.325 mol/L
B. 0.250 mol/L
C. 0.200 mol/L
D. 0.125 mol/L
 
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No more info is required...other than the permission to assume complete (100%) dissociation.

Given :

[tex][K^+]_{tot} = 0.65M = [K^+]_{nitrate} + [K^+]_{sulfate}[/tex]

[tex][NO_3^-] = 0.4M = [K^+]_{nitrate}[/tex]

[tex]So, ~~ [K^+]_{sulfate} = 0.65M - 0.4M = 0.25M = 2*[SO_4^{2-}][/tex]

[tex]Thus, ~~[SO_4^{2-}] = 0.25M/2 = 0.125M[/tex]

Choice D is the correct answer.
 
Okay, that's pretty obvious. Guess I need to get to bed earlier.
 

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