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dj_silver
Jul27-04, 11:47 PM
Using converse of alternate segment theorem (i think it is)
i.e. this:
"If the line joining two points A and B subtends equal magnitude angles at two other points on the same side of it, then the four points lie on a circle"
establish the cartesian equation, range and domain of the locus of points:
Arg(z - a) - Arg(z) = pi/2
a = 1 + 0i
and for
Arg(z) - Arg(z-a) = pi/2
a = 1 + 0i
say z = x + iy ( i think )
i get
( x - 1/2 ) ^2 + y^2 = 1/4
But i'm not sure about the domain, range etc
If anyone could help me, or point me in the right direction, that would be great.
Thanks.
I can't really tell what it is you're trying to do at all.
dj_silver
Jul28-04, 12:21 AM
I've got two complex numbers,
z and a
Let z = x + iy and a = 1 + 0i
And I want to establish a cartesian equation using this theorem:
"If the line joining two points A and B subtends equal magnitude angles at two other points on the same side of it, then the four points lie on a circle"
Basically, I'd like to determine the equation, range and domain of the locus of points such that
Arg (z-a) - Arg(z) = pi/2
Sorry if i'm not being clear, i'm finding it hard to explain :p
I don't see how the top and bottom relate. Do you want the cartesian equation of a circle (the locus of points I assume you're talking about)? Do you want to express your equation (with the "Arg"s) in Cartesian form?
Anyways, I'm not sure exactly what you want, but if we have z = x + iy, then arg(z) = arctan(y/x). So:
\arg (z - a) - \arg (z) = \pi /2
\arctan \left (\frac{y}{x - 1} \right ) - \arctan \left (\frac{y}{x} \right ) = \pi /2
\tan \left [ \arctan \left (\frac{y}{x - 1} \right ) - \arctan \left (\frac{y}{x} \right ) \right ] = \tan \frac{\pi}{2}
\frac{\frac{y}{x - 1} - \frac{y}{x}}{1 + \frac{y}{x - 1}\frac{y}{x}} = \tan \frac{\pi}{2}
\frac{y}{x(x - 1) + y^2} \times \frac{x(x - 1)}{x(x - 1)} = \tan \frac{\pi}{2}
Since I'm not exactly sure what you want, I won't go further.
dj_silver
Jul28-04, 01:02 AM
I used vectors and scalar product for the first one, I thought it might be relevant to this.
I'm after the cartesian of a circle - the locus of points. (I don't need the "Arg"s in there :))
thanks
Your confusing me even further. Scalar product of what? The cartesian equation of a circle is quite simply:
x² + y² - r² = 0
Of course, if it has its center elsewhere, you'd have to find the center and modify the equation. Another thing you could do:
|z| - r² = 0
dj_silver
Jul29-04, 05:38 AM
don't worry, i did it myself
it's (x - 1/2)^2 + y^2 = 1/4
with a domain of (0, 1)
and a range of (0, 1/2]
Scalar product of vectors.
Complex numbers can be represented as vectors, and then i used the scalar (dot) product.
Thanks anyway
don't worry, i did it myself
it's (x - 1/2)^2 + y^2 = 1/4
with a domain of (0, 1)
and a range of (0, 1/2]Yes, that's standard for any circle, although the domain is [0,1] and the range is [-1/2, 1/2]. A circle centered at (a,b) with radius r has the cartesian equation:
(x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 - r^2 = 0
Scalar product of vectors.
Complex numbers can be represented as vectors, and then i used the scalar (dot) product.
Thanks anywayI know what a scalar product and complex numbers are, I just didn't know which specific vectors/complex numbers you were talking about. This is odd, it seems you're learning about vectors and complex numbers before learning basic stuff about circles? Anyways, I suppose there's nothing wrong with that.
dj_silver
Aug25-04, 08:17 AM
It's the domain for which the locus of points exists.... not the circle
for any z below the x axis, Arg(z-a) - Arg(z) is not pi/2, it's -pi/2
(Also z = 0 + 0i gives Arg(z) as undefined - this is the reason for excluding (0,0))
Capische?
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