How Do You Determine the Potential V(x) for a Particle in a Quantum System?

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The discussion revolves around determining the potential V(x) for a particle moving along the x-axis in a quantum system, given the ground state wavefunction and a specific condition on the potential at a point.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss deriving the wavefunction and substituting it into the stationary Schrödinger equation. There are questions about the next steps after isolating V and the implications of E being an eigenvalue. Some participants explore the relationship between V(a) and E, considering how to evaluate E based on the given conditions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the potential and the eigenvalue. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the potential and the eigenstate, but no consensus has been reached on the specific value of E or the final form of V(x).

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Participants note the importance of the condition V(a) = 0 and the implications this has for determining the eigenvalue E. There is also mention of different potential forms associated with various quantum systems, indicating a need for clarity on which model applies in this context.

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Homework Statement



A particel is moving along the x-axis in a potential, V(x). The ground state of the wavefunction is:

[tex]\[\psi \left( x \right)={{e}^{-\frac{1}{2}{{\left( \frac{x}{a} \right)}^{4}}}},\][/tex]
where a is a constant of dimension length. We also know that V(a) = 0.

Determine V(x).

Homework Equations



The stationary Schrödinger equation:

[tex]\[-\frac{{{\hbar }^{2}}}{2m}\frac{{{d}^{2}}\psi }{d{{x}^{2}}}+V\psi =E\psi \][/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, first I derive the wavefunction two times and get:

[tex]\[\begin{align}<br /> & \frac{d}{dx}\psi \left( x \right)=-\frac{2}{{{a}^{4}}}{{x}^{3}}{{e}^{-\frac{1}{2}{{\left( \frac{x}{a} \right)}^{4}}}} \\ <br /> & \frac{d}{dx}\psi '\left( x \right)=\left( \frac{4{{x}^{6}}}{{{a}^{8}}}-\frac{6{{x}^{2}}}{{{a}^{4}}} \right){{e}^{-\frac{1}{2}{{\left( \frac{x}{a} \right)}^{4}}}} \\ <br /> \end{align}\][/tex]

Then I insert it in the Schrödinger equation.
And here is where I get confused. It's been a while since I've had QM, so I can't really remember what's next.
I figure that the potential is NOT just what I get when I isolate V in the Schrödinger equation. So what's is my next step ?


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Denver Dang said:
I figure that the potential is NOT just what I get when I isolate V in the Schrödinger equation. So what's is my next step ?

Why not?...Keep in mind that [itex]E[/itex], being an eigenvalue, must be a constant (no x-dependence).
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Why not?...Keep in mind that [itex]E[/itex], being an eigenvalue, must be a constant (no x-dependence).
So the potential V(x) is just:

[tex]\[V\left( x \right)=\frac{2\hbar {{x}^{6}}-3{{a}^{4}}\hbar {{x}^{2}}+E{{a}^{8}}m}{{{a}^{8}}m}\][/tex] ?
 
You still need to evaluate what E equals. E is an eigenvalue. Its value changes depending on the eigenstate of the system.
 
vela said:
You still need to evaluate what E equals. E is an eigenvalue. Its value changes depending on the eigenstate of the system.
Ahhh yes...
But what is En for the stationary state ? Can't find it on the internet, and I haven't got my QM book in ages. If I recall correctly it's different for the infinite well, harmonic oscillator, finite well and free particle. So which one should I use ?
 
Denver Dang said:
Ahhh yes...
But what is En for the stationary state ? Can't find it on the internet, and I haven't got my QM book in ages. If I recall correctly it's different for the infinite well, harmonic oscillator, finite well and free particle. So which one should I use ?

You tell us...you are told that V(a)=0, so what must E be for that to be true?
 
You can use [tex]E=<\psi|H|\psi>[/tex] since your wave function is an eigenstate.

EDIT: Wait, disregard that...
 
gabbagabbahey said:
You tell us...you are told that V(a)=0, so what must E be for that to be true?
I think I got it now...
V(a) = 0, which removes the potential part, replace the x's with a's and isolate E.
And then after that I use that E in the same Schrödinger equation and isolate V.
 
Denver Dang said:
I think I got it now...
V(a) = 0, which removes the potential part, replace the x's with a's and isolate E.
And then after that I use that E in the same Schrödinger equation and isolate V.

Another way to look at it is that you've already derived an expression for [itex]V(x)[/itex] that includes an unknown constant, [itex]E[/itex] (in post #3), and you are given an initial value, [itex]V(a)=0[/itex]. So, you can determine the value of that constant by plugging [itex]x=a[/itex] into your expression, setting it equal to zero, and solving for [itex]E[/itex].
 

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