Would you buy a used car from the Speaker of the House?

[Ivan Seeking]

Did anyone see this joker - Rep. Dennis Hastert, (R-Ill.), Speaker of the House - on Meet the Press this morning? Holy snake oil salesman Batman!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5640412/

[Janitor]

And would you ride in a used car driven by The Honorable Ted Kennedy?

[Ivan Seeking]

Hey, Tsunami did!

[Janitor]

And she lived to tell the tale!

[Ivan Seeking]

Well...she's a good swimmer. :biggrin:

Ooooh that was bad.

[Ivan Seeking]

So if we are to stay current, and I'm not talking river currents, I find the speaker downright scary. God save the President and Vice President! Now that's something I never thought I'd say until next November.

[Gokul43201]

And would you ride in a used car driven by The Honorable Ted Kennedy?

Or by the Strong and Determined President Bush ?

At least we know what happened with Teddy...but nobody knows about Bush's Texas Driving Records because they've been vanished. :bugeye: We only know about his DUI in Maine, where he was not Governor. :eek:

[kat]

Lol, nor do we know about Teddy's DUI's...mainly because he's a kennedy. We do know somewhat about his DUI in Senate...that DUI as in Debating under the influence HAHAHAHA I crack myself up.

Anyway, I'd buy one from the speaker of the house before I'd buy one for Kerry...and if I bought one from Clinton..I'd have to have the back seat steam cleaned HO HO HO!

[Robert Zaleski]

Or by the Strong and Determined President Bush ?

At least we know what happened with Teddy...but nobody knows about Bush's Texas Driving Records because they've been vanished. :bugeye: We only know about his DUI in Maine, where he was not Governor. :eek:
We sure do. The honorable Kennedy Clan called in some IOU's and their drunken lush embarrassment avoided a manslaughter charge.

Ivan, are you asking a question or are you making a political statement from your wobbly soap box?

[Ivan Seeking]

Ivan, are you asking a question or are you making a political statement from your wobbly soap box?

It was just an observation for you to view through your rosy colored glasses.

I know a snake when I see one.

[JohnDubYa]

I read the article, and I am not sure what the hoopla is about Dennis Hastert's comments. Anyone?

[loseyourname]

He bumbles a bit about drug laws and the selection of Alan Keyes as a senate nominee for Illinois, but other than that, he sounds like a pretty smart guy. He has an especially keen grasp of economics that Tim Russert doesn't seem to have. What's the problem? Did he look sleezy?

[Ivan Seeking]

A picture is worth a thousand words. 30 frames a second speaks volumes.

It really helps to actually watch and listen to the people that you support. Reading only provides one dimension of perspective.

[JohnDubYa]

Then why did you post the link?

So did Hastert act crazed, a la Michael Moore?

[Prometheus]

Did anyone see this joker - Rep. Dennis Hastert, (R-Ill.), Speaker of the House - on Meet the Press this morning? Holy snake oil salesman Batman!
I watched it. This was the first interview that I saw of Hastert. I remember thinking that he came off as completely unbelievable and extremely "sneaky" looking. His eyes never looked at ohers, but were positioned in a way, I can't think of a word to describe it, that I associate with untrustworthiness.

Many Democrats, including presidential candidate John Kerry, look first for a political criticism rather than what is best for our country.
He made many disingenuous comments, such as this one. Although I will not dispute this statement, I consider that it is far MORE true in the case of the Republicans. In other words, while stating a truth, he is being deceiving and attempting to hide a greater truth.

I did not get a good impression of this guy in this interview. His tone of voice, his facial expression, and his body movements were extremely unappealing to me.

[Ivan Seeking]

Then why did you post the link?

Because I can't post the video tape?

[loseyourname]

I did not get a good impression of this guy in this interview. His tone of voice, his facial expression, and his body movements were extremely unappealing to me.

It really helps to actually watch and listen to the people that you support. Reading only provides one dimension of perspective.

All right, you guys are going to have to clarify here, because this is really coming across as if you would rather judge a politician based on the way he looks than the way he thinks.

[JohnDubYa]

Maybe Dennis was giving off N-Rays while speaking. Damned if I know.

[JohnDubYa]

I watched it. This was the first interview that I saw of Hastert. I remember thinking that he came off as completely unbelievable and extremely "sneaky" looking. His eyes never looked at ohers, but were positioned in a way, I can't think of a word to describe it, that I associate with untrustworthiness.

Sounds like Bill Clinton. Did Dennis also shed a tear to indicate passion and sympathy, or has his phoniness worked his way up to that level yet?

He made many disingenuous comments, such as this one. Although I will not dispute this statement, I consider that it is far MORE true in the case of the Republicans. In other words, while stating a truth, he is being deceiving and attempting to hide a greater truth.

That is merely a matter of opinion.

I did not get a good impression of this guy in this interview. His tone of voice, his facial expression, and his body movements were extremely unappealing to me.

Heh. Body movements... as in finger wagging. "I did not have sex with that woman." Heh.

[Prometheus]

Sounds like Bill Clinton. Did Dennis also shed a tear to indicate passion and sympathy, or has his phoniness worked his way up to that level yet?

Heh. Body movements... as in finger wagging. "I did not have sex with that woman." Heh.
I did not realize that you are a first name basis with Dennis.

Excellent manuever. By contrasting every point with your perceived faults of Bill Clinton, we are sure to come to the obvious conclusion that "Dennis" is really a wonderful guy after all.

That is merely a matter of opinion.
Everything is this forum is a matter of opinion. You are certainly free to think the world of "Dennis". You should not expect that all people as up on the issues as you obviously are must necessarily like him as well.

[Prometheus]

All right, you guys are going to have to clarify here, because this is really coming across as if you would rather judge a politician based on the way he looks than the way he thinks.
I suppose that this means that from now on we can take every single comment that you make, divorce it from anything else that you have said, and then suggest that you are trying to use this as the complete justification for your entire argument. As well, like you, perhaps we can dream that others might find such a statement funny, or at least meaningful is some very small way.

[JohnDubYa]

I did not realize that you are a first name basis with Dennis.

I suppose you apply the same reasoning to those that call our President George W.. What about Condi, as in Condeleeza Rice? Arnie, as in Arnold Schwarzenegger? Rosie, as in Rosie O'Donnell?

Hypocrisy, everywhere.

Excellent manuever. By contrasting every point with your perceived faults of Bill Clinton, we are sure to come to the obvious conclusion that "Dennis" is really a wonderful guy after all.


You misunderstand my strategy: I was pointing out the hypocrisy in those that are Clinton fans and ridicule Hastert. Was my strategy successful? I will let you decide for yourself.

Everything is this forum is a matter of opinion.

Not when the word "truth" is used, as it was in this case. When someone says "X is true," that is not merely a matter of opinion. Go back and read the original post.

[Prometheus]

I suppose you apply
You make very poor suppositions, and then you treat them as though there was no doubt as to their truth. All right.

I suppose you apply the same reasoning to those that call our President George W.. What about Condi, as in Condeleeza Rice? Arnie, as in Arnold Schwarzenegger? Rosie, as in Rosie O'Donnell?

Hypocrisy, everywhere.
Are you saying that you consider those others to be hypocritical, and therefore that you should be able to join them, and even surpass them? All right.

You misunderstand my strategy: I was pointing out the hypocrisy in those that are Clinton fans and ridicule Hastert. Was my strategy successful? I will let you decide for yourself.
In your dreams, I am sure that you think that you were successful.
You claim that you are attempting to point out hypocrisy, where none exists. Instead, you are just attempting to sidestep the real issue at hand. You were responding to my post. You brought up Clinton, not me. Now, you are acting as though you know for a fact that I am a Clinton fan, as though you could know that and as though that might be relevant, and then you accuse me of ridiculing Hastert. I said that I do not like the guy. Do you consider that ridicule? All right.

[JohnDubYa]

You make very poor suppositions, and then you treat them as though there was no doubt as to their truth. All right.

The statement was intended to be a question. So what is your answer? If you are denying my claim, say so.


Are you saying that you consider those others to be hypocritical, and therefore that you should be able to join them, and even surpass them? All right.

No, I am saying that there is nothing wrong with calling a politican by his first name in a political forum, and I offered examples to support my claim. And those that object to my calling the speaker by his first name, and yet call our president by his first name, are hypocrites. Are they not? Do you fall in that category?

In your dreams, I am sure that you think that you were successful.

Whatever.

You claim that you are attempting to point out hypocrisy, where none exists.

Oh, the hypocrisy exists. Since when did you become on a first name basis with Saddam Hussein? Did you write the following?

If you could somehow ask the dead if they are better off now than under Saddam, what do you think that they might say.

Extricate yourself from that one, Mr. First-Name-Basis.

[kat]

I'm sorry...what was this thread about? first names? ...I'm so confused!

[Prometheus]

The statement was intended to be a question. So what is your answer? If you are denying my claim, say so.
You say that when you say that you suppose something, it is meant to be a question. In the same breath, you call it a claim, which I must accept or deny. All this for a point that is meaningless anyway.

No, I am saying that there is nothing wrong with calling a politican by his first name in a political forum, and I offered examples to support my claim. And those that object to my calling the speaker by his first name, and yet call our president by his first name, are hypocrites. Are they not? Do you fall in that category?
I see. You are being completely irrelevant on purpose. You are using what you consider that some people do, however hypocritical you consider it, as justification for doing the same thing. You suppose that I must do it as well. Now, you are asking me if I do it. Sure.


Oh, the hypocrisy exists. Since when did you become on a first name basis with Saddam Hussein? Did you write the following?

Extricate yourself from that one, Mr. First-Name-Basis.
I see. You consider yourself a hypocrite, and you are trying to lump me in your boat. Let me see if I can find a way to extricate myself, at least in my mind, such that you remain the hypocrite that you claim yourself to be, yet I am not. Much of the world refers to Saddam Hussein as Saddam, and not as Hussein, when using a single name to refer to him. Although no means universal, it is a common custom. I am sorry that you are not aware of this fact, and that you used your mistaken understanding in this respect to add to your justification of your hypocrisy.

Hussein is not Saddam's family name. It's actually his father's given name. Given these 2 names to choose from, Saddam is usually considered the more relevant, because at least it is his name.

[JohnDubYa]

Much of the world refers to Saddam Hussein as Saddam, and not as Hussein, when using a single name to refer to him.

That doesn't make it acceptable. The fact is that you called Saddam Hussein by his first name, then pointed out that I was in error for calling Dennis Hastert by his first name. First, only Dennis can truly object. Second, I will let the other readers in this thread judge for themselves the level at which are you terminally full of ****.

My quote: No, I am saying that there is nothing wrong with calling a politican by his first name in a political forum, and I offered examples to support my claim. And those that object to my calling the speaker by his first name, and yet call our president by his first name, are hypocrites. Are they not? Do you fall in that category?

Quit dodging the issue and answer the questions.

[Prometheus]

That doesn't make it acceptable. The fact is that you called Saddam Hussein by his first name, then pointed out that I was in error for calling Dennis Hastert by his first name.
How humerous. You are going to try to defend yourself on this. Almost everyone calls Saddam by his first name. Certainly, no one uses his last name. Do you even know his last name? Your attempt to equate calling Saddam Hussein by Saddam with calling Dennis Hastert by Dennis is really a desparate action on your part. You must be joking. You surely can't be serious in attempting to justify your ridiculous claim, are you?

By the way, I never said that you were in error. How could it be an error? Oh, I see, you are trying to put words in my mouth.

First, only Dennis can truly object.
A true gem. Can you explain your basis for this?

Second, I will let the other readers in this thread judge for themselves the level at which are you terminally full of ****.
Good for you. Get vulgar. You blew it, with your mistaken analogy. You have only yourself to blame for that. There is no need to get vulgar with me about your error. Just regroup, if you can, and try again.

[JohnDubYa]

How humerous. You are going to try to defend yourself on this. Almost everyone calls Saddam by his first name. Certainly, no one uses his last name. Do you even know his last name? Your attempt to equate calling Saddam Hussein by Saddam with calling Dennis Hastert by Dennis is really a desparate action on your part.

Tell it to the other readers in this thread that might buy your line of bull****. The truth to me is obvious.

My quote: First, only Dennis can truly object.

A true gem. Can you explain your basis for this?

Whether or not I choose to call Dennis Hastert by his first name is none of your concern. Period. And I really don't care what reasoning you incorporate to make it your concern.

Good for you. Get vulgar. You blew it, with your mistaken analogy. You have only yourself to blame for that. There is no need to get vulgar with me about your error. Just regroup, if you can, and try again.

Yeah, yeah, whatever! Now you can spend the next thirty minutes psychoanalyzing my response. Whatever floats your boat.

[Prometheus]

Tell it to the other readers in this thread that might buy your line of bull****. The truth to me is obvious.
Now, you are just being incredibly defensive. You don't need to be so defensive. You don't need to get vulgar as a way to show your displeasure. We all understand your position.

I don't mind your views. The fact that you and I seem to disagree on almost everything is not reason for this type of argument. To me, the problem is just as you stated it here, to you the truth is obvious, and no one else can have an opinion that is valid if it deviates from what you consider the obvious truth.

Whether or not I choose to call Dennis Hastert by his first name is none of your concern. Period.
I notice that you did not call him Dennis. Now, you say that it is none of my concern. Is this as polite a manner as you can muster to back off of your Saddam ploy?

And I really don't care what reasoning you incorporate to make it your concern.
Sure. The fact that you tried to beat it down my throat is not a good reason to make it my concern.

[JohnDubYa]

Now, you are just being incredibly defensive. You don't need to be so defensive...

Prometheus, this isn't Kindergarten. If you want continue playing this game, fine. Whatever.