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adiles
Aug19-04, 06:57 PM
Please help. I'm having trouble with a simple integration by substitution problem


The integrand is f(x) = x* sqr(x-1)
The interval [1,2]

Please draw it out in a gif file and send it to me via email.

-much appreciated.

Math Is Hard
Aug19-04, 07:01 PM
If I tell you how to do the substitution will you try to work it out from there? Or do you want someone to just do your homework for you?

Gokul43201
Aug19-04, 09:05 PM
adiles,

The policy here is that we'll help you if you show what you've tried and where you appear to be stuck.

It seems to me that you may have a problem with algebra (in this case, at least), as the most obvious substitution should get you an easily integrable form.

Corneo
Aug19-04, 09:49 PM
Start with u=\sqrt{x-1}

Math Is Hard
Aug19-04, 10:00 PM
I wouldn't recommend that.
(but I am interested to see how you worked it out with that sub!)

TenaliRaman
Aug19-04, 10:06 PM
I wouldn't recommend that.
(but I am interested to see how you worked it out with that sub!)

and why not?
::
u=sqrt(x-1)
x=u^2+1
dx=2udu

The integrand becomes (u^2+1)u*2udu
A simple polynomial which has to be integrated from 0 to 1 if i am not mistaken with calculations that are going in my head.
::

-- AI

Gokul43201
Aug19-04, 10:24 PM
Tenali, I wish you hadn't done that in the thread. This leaves adiles with no work to do.

Math Is Hard
Aug19-04, 10:33 PM
I would use a slightly different (and simpler in my mind) substitution method, but I'll withhold, just to leave a little mystery and hopefully some "pleasure of discovery" for adiles. :smile:

JonF
Aug20-04, 03:20 AM
since some one already solved it for him, the simplest sub i saw was...

f(x) = x* sqr(x-1)

let
u = x-1

Hurkyl
Aug20-04, 04:33 PM
That's why you make the one example something different (but similar enough to demonstrate the point... maybe \int \sqrt{x-1} \, dx) The problem is that all the example in the world usually don't help unless the student actually does a few himself.

cronxeh
Aug21-04, 08:18 PM
why the hell was my solution erased from this thread?

JonF
Aug22-04, 02:45 AM
Cronxeh im guessing

I wish you hadn't done that in the thread. This leaves adiles with no work to do.