Baseball Projectile Motion Problem

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving a baseball thrown by a pitcher. The scenario includes specific distances, initial height, and speed, with the goal of determining the launch angle required for the ball to cross home plate at a certain height above the ground.

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  • The original poster attempts to set up the equations of motion for both the x and y directions, expressing time in terms of the angle and initial speed. Some participants suggest using trigonometric identities to simplify the equations, while others emphasize the importance of strategic thinking in solving for the angle.

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Participants have engaged in a back-and-forth exploration of the problem, with some offering suggestions for rewriting equations and applying trigonometric identities. There is a recognition of the need to isolate variables and consider multiple solutions for time, leading to a discussion about the validity of the angles derived from the calculations.

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I am having difficulty with Problem 79 of Chapter 3 from Physics for Scientists and Engineers by Paul A. Tipler, 4th Edition:

The distance from the pitcher's mound to home plate is 18.4 m. The mound is 0.2 m above the level of the field. A pitcher throws a fast ball with an initial speed of 37.5 m/s. At the moment the ball leaves the pitcher's hand, it is 2.3 m above the mound. What should the angle between [tex]\overrightarrow{v}[/tex] and the horizontal be so that the ball crosses the plate 0.7 m above the ground?

The following values are given:

[tex]y_0 = 0.2 m + 2.3 m = 2.5m[/tex]
[tex]y = 0.7 m[/tex]
[tex]x_0 = 0[/tex]
[tex]x = 18.4 m[/tex]
[tex]v_0 = 37.5 m/s[/tex]

The following should also be noted:

[tex]v_{0x} = v_0 \cos \theta_0[/tex]
[tex]v_{0y} = v_0 \sin \theta_0[/tex]
[tex]g = 9.81 m/s^2[/tex]

The equation of motion in the x direction is:

[tex]x = x_0 + v_{0x}t[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow x = v_{0x}t[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow t = \frac{x}{v_{0x}}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow t = \frac{x}{v_0 \cos \theta_0}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow t = \frac{18.4}{37.5 \cos \theta_0}[/tex]

The equation of motion in the y direction is:

[tex]y = y_0 + v_{0y}t - \frac{1}{2}gt^2[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow 0.7 = 2.5 + (v_0 \sin \theta_0)t - 4.905t^2[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -4.905 (\frac{18.4}{37.5 \cos \theta_0})^2 + (37.5 \sin \theta_0)(\frac{18.4}{37.5 \cos \theta_0}) + 1.8 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -1.1809 \frac{1}{cos^2 \theta_0} + 18.4 \frac{\sin \theta_0}{\cos \theta_0} + 1.8 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -1.1809 + 18.4 \sin \theta_0 \cos \theta_0 + 1.8 \cos^2 \theta_0 = 0[/tex]

Noting that [itex]\cos^2 \theta_0 + \sin^2 \theta_0 = 1 \Rightarrow \cos^2 \theta_0 = 1 - \sin^2 \theta_0[/itex], and also that [itex]\sin(2 \theta_0) = 2 \sin \theta_0 \cos \theta_0[/itex], we then have:

[tex]-1.1809 + 9.2 \sin(2 \theta_0) + 1.8 (1 - \sin^2 \theta_0) = 0[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -1.1809 + 9.2 \sin(2 \theta_0) + 1.8 - 1.8 \sin^2 \theta_0 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -1.8 \sin^2 \theta_0 + 9.2 \sin(2 \theta_0) + 0.6191 = 0[/tex]

How do I solve for [itex]\theta_0[/itex] without resorting to graphical methods (this is an intro physics text, after all)?

The answer given in the back of the book is [itex]\theta_0 = -1.93^\circ[/itex].

Note also that:

[tex]-1.8 \sin^2 (-1.93^\circ) + 9.2 \sin[(2)(-1.93^\circ)] + 0.6191 = -0.00227... \approx 0[/tex]

It therefore appears that I have set the problem up correctly; I just don't know how to put the finishing touch on the solution. Any ideas?
 
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as a suggestion, change [tex]\sin{2\theta_0}=2\sin{\theta_0}\cos{\theta_0}[/tex]
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and also [tex]\cos^2{\theta}+\sin^2{\theta}=1[/tex]
 
once again [tex]\cos^2{\theta}+\sin^2{\theta}=1[/tex]
 
NoPhysicsGenius said:
The equation of motion in the x direction is:

[tex]x = x_0 + v_{0x}t[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow x = v_{0x}t[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow t = \frac{x}{v_{0x}}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow t = \frac{x}{v_0 \cos \theta_0}[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow t = \frac{18.4}{37.5 \cos \theta_0}[/tex]
Looks good to me. But don't be in such a hurry to solve for t. The equation can also be written like this:
[tex]18.4 = 37.5 cos\theta t[/tex]

The equation of motion in the y direction is:

[tex]y = y_0 + v_{0y}t - \frac{1}{2}gt^2[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow 0.7 = 2.5 + (v_0 \sin \theta_0)t - 4.905t^2[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -4.905 (\frac{18.4}{37.5 \cos \theta_0})^2 + (37.5 \sin \theta_0)(\frac{18.4}{37.5 \cos \theta_0}) + 1.8 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -1.1809 \frac{1}{cos^2 \theta_0} + 18.4 \frac{\sin \theta_0}{\cos \theta_0} + 1.8 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow -1.1809 + 18.4 \sin \theta_0 \cos \theta_0 + 1.8 \cos^2 \theta_0 = 0[/tex]
Once again, don't rush. Think strategically. In order to use the [itex]sin^2\theta + cos^2\theta = 1[/itex] trick, you need to isolate those trig functions. The equation for y can also be rewritten like this:
[tex]4.9t^2 - 1.8 = 37.5 sin\theta t[/tex]

Now do you see how to apply that trig identity? (Square both equations and add them together.) Solve for t, then use t to solve for [itex]\theta[/itex].
 
Doc Al said:
Once again, don't rush. Think strategically.

Hmm ... I don't believe I've ever tried this before. Might also explain my difficulties with winning games of chess. :biggrin:

Doc Al said:
Now do you see how to apply that trig identity? (Square both equations and add them together.) Solve for t, then use t to solve for [itex]\theta[/itex].

Nice tip!

After squaring both equations and adding, I got the following:

[tex]24.059t^4 - 1423.908t^2 +341.8 = 0[/tex]

Applying the quadratic formula gave two values for [itex]t^2[/itex] which, after taking the square root, gave two positive values for [itex]t[/itex]. They were [itex]t = 0.490945s[/itex] and [tex]t = 7.67743s[/itex].<br /> <br /> Naturally, since the pitcher throws a <b><i>fast ball</i></b>, we should use [tex]t = 0.490945s[/tex].<br /> <br /> Then:<br /> <br /> [tex]18.4 = 37.5(\cos \theta_0)t \Rightarrow \theta_0 = cos^{-1}\frac{18.4}{37.5t}[/tex]<br /> [tex]\Rightarrow \theta_0 = cos^{-1}\frac{18.4}{37.5(0.490945)} = \pm 1.93^\circ[/tex]<br /> <br /> To determine whether [itex]\theta_0[/itex] is positive or negative, one must then plug the solution back into the expression for [itex]y[/itex] (namely, [itex]y = y_0 + v_{0y}t - \frac{1}{2}gt^2[/itex]), which yields [itex]y = 1.94 m \neq 0.7m[/itex] for [itex]\theta_0 = +1.93^\circ[/itex] versus [itex]y = 0.7 m[/itex] for [itex]\theta_0 = -1.93^\circ[/itex].<br /> <br /> Therefore, the book's answer of [itex]\theta_0 = -1.93^\circ[/itex] is vindicated as correct.<br /> <br /> Thanks for your help. I believe my approach to solving physics problems in the future will improve as a result. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />[/tex]
 

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