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The problem involves calculating the density of a wooden cylinder that floats in water, using principles related to buoyancy and displacement. The context is centered around understanding the relationship between the height of the submerged portion of the cylinder and the overall density of the wood.

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  • Participants discuss the relevance of the cylinder's radius in the calculations, with some asserting it is not necessary. There are attempts to relate buoyancy forces to the weight of the displaced water and the wooden cylinder. Questions arise about the correct interpretation of the variables involved, particularly the heights above and below water.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance is provided regarding the relationships between the variables, but there is no explicit consensus on the final density value or the necessity of certain parameters.

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There is a mention of the density of water and the expected density of wood, suggesting that the density of the wood should be less than that of water. Participants also note the importance of the proportions of submerged height to total height in their reasoning.

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A wooden cylinder 30.0 cm high floats vertically in a tub of water (density 1.00 g/cm^3). The top of the cylinder is 14.1 cm above the surface of the liquid. What is the density of the wood?

Does the radius of the cylinder need to be known in order to relate height and volume? Obviously the 15.9 cm that is under water comes into play, but where exactly?
 
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The up thrust force acts on the wooden cyclinder is equal to the weight of the wooden cyclinder when the cyclinder floats on the water.

The up thrust force is equal to the weight of the water displaced when the cyclinder floats on the water.

My answer : [tex]5.3 X 10^{-3} kg/m^3[/tex]
 
for this example, the radius of the cylinder is not important.

[tex]m\vec{g}=\vec{B}[/tex] where B is buoyancy force.

=> [tex]V_c=\pi{r^2}H[/tex] and [tex]V_l=\pi{r^2}{(H-h)}[/tex]

=> [tex]\rho_c{V_c}g=\rho_w{V_w}g[/tex]

=> [tex]\rho_c=\rho_w{\frac{\pi{r^2}{(H-h)}}{\pi{r^2}{H}[/tex]

finally [tex]\rho_c={(1-\frac{h}{H}0}g/cm^3[/tex]
 
well when you divide V_c by V_w the factor (pi)r^2 is removed.
 
wisky40 said:
for this example, the radius of the cylinder is not important.

[tex]m\vec{g}=\vec{B}[/tex] where B is buoyancy force.

=> [tex]V_c=\pi{r^2}H[/tex] and [tex]V_l=\pi{r^2}{(H-h)}[/tex]

=> [tex]\rho_c{V_c}g=\rho_w{V_w}g[/tex]

=> [tex]\rho_c=\rho_w{\frac{\pi{r^2}{(H-h)}}{\pi{r^2}{H}[/tex]

finally [tex]\rho_c={(1-\frac{h}{H}0}g/cm^3[/tex]

H being the total height of the cylinder and h being the height of the cylinder under water, correct?
 
yes sir, that's correct, but be careful the answer is 530 kg/m^3 or .53 g/cm^3, and I think that is logic because the density of wood is < the density of water, and also see the proportion of h vs H ~.5 which agrees with this result.
 

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