Cancel Magnetic Field w/ Another Field & Near 0 Teslas

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of canceling a magnetic field using another magnetic field, with a focus on achieving near-zero tesla measurements. Participants explore concepts such as magnetic shielding, the Meissner Effect, and the interaction of magnetic fields with metal detectors.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that it may be possible to cancel a magnetic field with another magnetic field, particularly in specific configurations like a long coaxial cable.
  • Others argue that while magnetic fields can be diverted, they cannot be canceled entirely due to the divergence of magnetic fields being zero.
  • Magnetic shielding is discussed, with some suggesting that a high permeability shell could shield an object from magnetic fields, although concerns about detection by metal detectors are raised.
  • Participants question whether materials like carbon would trigger metal detectors and discuss the challenges of constructing a box that would not be detected.
  • There is a mention of the Meissner Effect as a potential method to achieve magnetic shielding, though its effectiveness in avoiding detection is uncertain.
  • One participant clarifies that metal detectors typically measure changes in inductance rather than directly measuring magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of canceling magnetic fields and the effectiveness of magnetic shielding. There is no consensus on whether it is possible to create a box that would evade detection by metal detectors.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the nature of magnetic fields, the effectiveness of various shielding methods, and the operational principles of metal detectors, which remain unresolved.

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can we cancel a magnetic field with another magnetic field and get the field strength close to zero teslas , or maybe use a faraday cage .
 
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You can't cancel a magnetic field. Divergence of magnetic field is zero. That means, a field line cannot be interrupted. You can only divert the field lines. You may think of that as pushing the field out. There are good ways to do that, however. Look up Meissner Effect.
 
thanks for your answer what about magnetic shielding , is it possible to construct something like a box and you could put something in it made of metal and a metal detector would not pick it up .
 
I'm afraid, any box like that you'll come up with will trip metal detector, which I imagine defeats your purpose.
 
what about using the meissner effect to get around it , will carbon set off a metal detector .
 
You can shield an object from a magnetic field by placing it in a spherical shell of high magnetic permeability, where the efficiency of the shielding increases with the permeability of the shell - see Jackson's Electrodynamics pages 201-203. I'm not sure if you could find a shell that wouldn't trip a metal detector, though...
 
You can definitely cancel magnetic fields. This is particularly easy in linear, non-magnetic media. The best example I can think of is a very long coaxial cable. The equal magnitudes and opposite signs of the currents in the inner and outer conductors result in field cancelation outside the outer shield (at least for slowly varying fields).

Why are you talking about defeating metal detectors? Are you up to no good, or is this a scientific and harmless application? Either way, tricking metal detectors is more difficult than canceling magnetic fields.
 
If you wrap your gun with tinfoil and place it next to a pickle and cheeseburger the metal detector will think it's part of your lunch.
 
stevenb said:
tricking metal detectors is more difficult than canceling magnetic fields.
why , if we could cancel the field that is created from the metal it wouldn't appose the one created by the detector , not that it is east to cancel the field , what else would be tricky . This is purely scientific thread , i was just wondering if it could be done .
 
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Metal detector doesn't measure magnetic field. It usually measures change of coil's inductance. In gate-type detectors, the gate is the coil. Any significant change to magnetic field geometry within the gate could trigger it.
 
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ok but what ever it measure is , the change is caused by the B field ,
 

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