Solve Simple Velocity Problem: Understanding Integration and Momentum

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a 10 kg object subjected to a time-varying force, F = 10 + 2t, over a period of two seconds. The original poster seeks clarification on the necessity of using integration to determine the final velocity, as opposed to directly applying momentum principles.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the role of integration in calculating momentum when the force is not constant. Some participants discuss the implications of a changing force and how it affects the calculation of momentum over time.

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Participants are exploring the relationship between force, momentum, and integration. Some have provided insights into the mathematical reasoning behind using integration to find the area under the force-time curve, which relates to the change in momentum. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's realization regarding the integration process.

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One participant notes their lack of calculus knowledge, which may influence their understanding of the integration concept. The discussion reflects on the importance of recognizing that the force applied is changing over time, which is central to the problem's context.

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hi, I'm wondering if anyone could explain to me why one uses the following technique to solve this problem.

Let's say we've a 10 kg object. The force exerted on it is

F = 10 + 2t

The force acts on it for two (2) seconds. If it starts at rest, what is the final velocity?

I used this technique to solve the problem, after first making a mistake

dp = F(net) * dt

breaking that down to

dp = (10 + 2t) * dt

integration giving

10t + t^2 from 0 to 2

giving

24 kg * m/s

so

dp = 24 kg * m/s
m(v(2)-v(1)) = 24 kg * m/s
10 kg (v(2)-0) = 24 kg * m/s
v(2) = 2.4 m/s

this is the correct answer, however, initially i tried

m(v(2)-v(1)) = (10 + 2t) * dt

10 kg (v(2)-0) = 14N * 2s

resulting in a velocity of 2.8 m/s

why do i use integration before involving momentum is my question. thanks for anyone who might be able to help!
 
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teclo said:
why do i use integration before involving momentum is my question. thanks for anyone who might be able to help!

Even though i haven't taken calculus yet, according to your equation of the Force applied

F = 10 + 2t

The force applied during those 2 seconds is changing. thus you can't just use the quation F*t = change in momentum since you're saying the force of 14 N is applied for 2 seconds even though that wasn't true.
 
i hadn't though of it in that manner. i suppose i should have since force is related to time. the only reason i thought to use integration is because i had the equation p = (10 + 2t) *dt. the area of the graph would be in units of momentum.

thanks!

(still would appreciate explanation of usage of integration other than realizing area of function is in units of momentum)
 
Integrating a function is a method of finding the area beneath it. There's an elegant proof found in most calculus books that connects Rieman's sums (which is really just adding a bunch of infinately small shapes together to find area) to integration. Thus, since integration is much simpler than using Rieman's sums, integration is the preferred technique for finding area beneath a curve.
 
thanks for the help. i actually realized what was going on while on the way to the grocery store. p = F(net) dt -- if f is changing every t the area beneath the curve at that point would be the net force acting at t -- therefor by integrating from 0 to 2 I'm getting the total amount of force from that duration. from the net force i can determine velocity based on the change in momentum.

duh, I'm retarded

thanks again for the help.
 

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