How do I calculate the moment of inertia for a hollow paper object?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia for a hollow paper object, specifically a beam used in a trebuchet. Participants explore the challenges of determining the moment of inertia for various shapes, including a hollow block and a trapezoidal arm, and seek clarification on the necessary formulas and reference points for calculations.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests assistance in calculating the moment of inertia for a hollow paper block and asks if there is a specific formula for such cases.
  • Another participant suggests providing a more accurate description or drawing of the shape to aid in the calculation, noting the importance of symmetry.
  • A different participant mentions the need to define a reference point for the moment of inertia, proposing that one could sum the moments of inertia of each face of the block relative to that point.
  • A participant clarifies that the hollow paper arm has symmetrical trapezoidal sides and indicates their choice of the fulcrum as the reference point for calculations.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of selecting a useful reference point for the moment of inertia, affirming that the chosen fulcrum is appropriate for the motion involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of defining a reference point for the moment of inertia calculations, but there is no consensus on the specific formulas or methods to apply for the hollow paper object.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks detailed definitions of the shapes involved and does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary for calculating the moment of inertia. The assumptions regarding symmetry and reference points remain unverified.

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Hi, I am doing a physical project and i encountered a vital problem. I need to calculate the moment of inertia of hollow paper block(beam of a trebuchet(type of a catapult)). I was looking on the internet and there is no explanation of this particular case.
So, would anyone know how to calculate the moment of inertia for hollow paper object? (block, pyramid with no base and cut top with a hole in it for example)
Is there any formula for it?
Thanks for potential responses
 
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Perhaps you could describe the shape a little more accurately or provide a drawing? For example, it's not clear from your description whether the shape has any type of symmetry which would be quite helpful in calculating the moment(s) of inertia.
 
Well first of all you need to define yourself some refrence point, as the moment of inertia is always relative to some point. Then ( I think), you can sum the moments of inertia of each face of the block relative to that point. So if its a cube, it requires finding the moment of inertia about each face individually, and then summing them up. I think this would work because the moment of inertia is just the sum of the mass times the radius squared, and you can do this for each face and sum the faces. This should yeild the same result. But have someone else verify what I am saying before you bother to do any calculation, I could be wrong.
 
Well, it is a long hollow paper arm(four sides), the two opposite are always identical trapezoids(symmetrical ones)
So, I can take any point? Well, I'll choose the fulcrum(it's a lever actually) as the point, that should be ok.
 
Just make sure to take it with respect to a point that is usefull! It does you no good to take it at a point that will not be where its rotating! You picked a very good point, as that would be were the motion would be about.
 
Ok, thanks to you both!
 

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