How much time does it take the walker to make the round trip?

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The problem involves two friends making round trips between two piers on a river, with one walking and the other rowing a boat. The speeds of both the walker and the rower, as well as the velocity of the river, are provided. The original poster seeks to determine the time taken for each to complete their round trip.

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  • Participants discuss the meaning of "relative to the water" and how it affects the speeds of the rower. They explore the distance and speed relationships to calculate time taken for the round trips.

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Some participants have provided calculations for the rower's time, while others are attempting to clarify the walker’s time. There is an ongoing exploration of unit conversions and the application of distance formulas.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can provide. There is a focus on understanding the setup and the implications of the river's current on the speeds of the rower and walker.

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Two piers, [tex]A[/tex] and [tex]B[/tex] , are located on a river: [tex]B[/tex] is 1500 m downstream from [tex]A[/tex] . Two friends must make round trips from pier [tex]A[/tex] to pier [tex]B[/tex] and return. One rows a boat at a constant speed of 4.00 km/h relative to the water; the other walks on the shore at a constant speed of 4.00 km/h. The velocity of the river is 2.80 km/h in the direction from [tex]A[/tex] to [tex]B[/tex] .

what does "relative to the water" mean?

1.) How much time does it take the walker to make the round trip?
answer must be in mins

2.) How much time does it take the rower to make the round trip? answer must be in mins

my work:

Given:
x=1500m
v(b) = 4.00 km/h
v(w) = 4.00 km/h
v(r) = 2.80

t1 = (1500)/(4+2.80) = 220.588secs <--- downstream time
t2 = (1500)/(4-2.80) = 1250 secs <--- upstream time

t(t) = 1470.588s <--- total time

how would i solve #1 ?

im thinking that i would need the distance formula

x(t) = x(0) + v(0)t + 1/2at^2
2(1500) = 0 + 2.80t + 0 (x(0) = 0, because at t=0, x=0. and a=0 because of constant speed)

3600= 2.80t... nevermind, it doesn't look right, can someone help?
 
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EaGlE said:
2.) How much time does it take the rower to make the round trip? answer must be in mins

my work:

Given:
x=1500m
v(b) = 4.00 km/h
v(w) = 4.00 km/h
v(r) = 2.80

t1 = (1500)/(4+2.80) = 220.588secs <--- downstream time
t2 = (1500)/(4-2.80) = 1250 secs <--- upstream time

t(t) = 1470.588s <--- total time
Basic idea is OK, but you are mixing up units. It's easier than you think. I'll do the first part, the time from A to B:
t1 = D/V = (1.5 Km)/(6.28 Km/hour) = 0.24 hours
How many minutes is that? You take it from here.

how would i solve #1 ?
Exactly the same way, only now the speed is just 4.0 Km/hour both ways. So, t = D/V ...
 
"relative to the water" means that that is his speed treating the water as it were not flowing. The actual or "true" speed is the water's speed added to his boat's speed when he is going down stream with the current, and subtracted from his boat's speed when he is going upstream against the current.
 
thank you, works perfectly
 

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