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physics_197
Sep25-10, 06:49 PM
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

For a certain experiment, R-410a vapor is contained in a sealed glass tube at 20°C. It is
desired to know the pressure at this condition, but there is no means of measuring it, since
the tube is sealed. However, if the tube is cooled to −20°C small droplets of liquid are
observed on the glass walls. What is the initial pressure?

2. Relevant equations

Thermodynamic tables
ideal gas equation?

3. The attempt at a solution

I set up both states:
State 2: T = -20 (saturated)

State 1: T = 20, v1=v2=0.0648 P = ? (superheated)

I just don't understand how we can figure it out from just the temps. I just cant wrap my mind around the thermodynamic tables.

Borek
Sep26-10, 10:46 AM
What happens at -20?

physics_197
Sep26-10, 11:22 AM
At -20, the condensation occurs?

Borek
Sep26-10, 11:35 AM
Can you use it to find vapor pressure at -20? With the help of tables?

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physics_197
Sep26-10, 11:36 AM
Is it read directly from the table? would it be 399.6 kPa?

Borek
Sep26-10, 11:55 AM
No idea, I don't have these tables. But yes, you should read it directly from the table.

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physics_197
Sep26-10, 12:11 PM
So, how would I use this information to find the initial pressure?

Could I just use the ideal gas? P1/T1 = P2/T2 ?