asymptote

[UrbanXrisis]

f(x)=(9x^2-36)/(x^2-9)

I forgot how to get the hotizontal asymptote. Is it f(x)=0?
When I do that, there is no way to solve it

Also, how do I find the intervals for when f is increasing?

I'm not asking for the answer, but the equation, I totally forgot

thanks

[arildno]

Horizontal (right-hand side) asymptote: \lim_{x\to\infty}f(x)
Horizontal (left-hand side) asymptote: \lim_{x\to-\infty}f(x)

What does the derivative of a function tell you about the function's behaviour?

[UrbanXrisis]

I'm even more confused. I know that getting the vertical asymptote is setting the denominaor equal to zero and solving for it but what is it for the horizontal?

[Pyrrhus]

are you familiar with limits?

[arildno]

I'm even more confused. I know that getting the vertical asymptote is setting the denominaor equal to zero and solving for it but what is it for the horizontal?
What value L do f(x) approach when x goes to infinity?
The line g(x)=L (parallell to the x-axis!) is called the horizontal asymptote to f(x)

[UrbanXrisis]

So how would I find the equation for each horizontal asymptote of: f(x)=(9x^2-36)/(x^2-9)

[arildno]

Think this way:
Let x be a huge positive number.
Then, surely, 9x^2 must be a lot larger than 36.
Similarly, x^2 must be a lot larger than 9.

Hence, you don't make a big mistake by setting:
9x^{2}-36\approx9x^{2}
(the relative error is tiny)
Similarly:
x^{2}-9\approx{x^{2}}
Hence:
f(x)=\frac{9x^{2}-36}{x^{2}-9}\approx\frac{9x^{2}}{x^{2}}=9
(for huge positive x's)
Hence, the horizontal right-hand asymptote is L(x)=9

[UrbanXrisis]

I understand your process of thinking however, is there a specific formula that can calculate that number?

I know that to obtain the vertical asymptote, it's by setting the denominator to zero.

e.g. f(x)=(9x^2-36)/(x^2-9)
x^2-9=0
x=+3,-3

so the equations for the vertical asymptote is x=3 and x=-3

how do I do this with the horizontal asymptote?

[arildno]

No, there is in general no foolproof method in determining limit values (in your case, to get the horizontal asymptotes)
There exist a rigourous method which in principle tells you whether a chosen number is a limit or not (i.e, if you've made a right (or wrong!) guess)

The reasoning I gave you, however, is sufficient to determine the horizontal assymptotes you'll meet.
So here's a method, if you like:
1. Think of x as a huge number.
Practical meaning:
If x appears in a sum (or difference) with a constant, discard that constant.
Further, retain only the highest "power" of x in a sum where x appears in multiple terms.
For example: 3x^{2}-7x+14\approx3x^{2} when x is huge?
Why?
\frac{3x^{2}}{7x}=\frac{3}{7}x which is huge since x is huge.
That is the magnitude (always positive!) of the term "3x^2" is much bigger than the magnitude of "-7x".

2. These simplifications should be enough to find the asymptote.

[UrbanXrisis]

I understand the idea now. My second question addressed finding the intervals for when f is increasing.

f(x)=(9x^2-36)/(x^2-9)

how do I find the intervals for when f is increasing?

[arildno]

I quote myself:

What does the derivative of a function tell you about the function's behaviour?

In particular, how is information of whether a function is increasing or decreasing given by the values of the derivative?

[Tide]

Analyze the behavior of the derivative of the function. If it's positive then the function is increasing.

[UrbanXrisis]

So find the derivative of: f(x)=(9x^2-36)/(x^2-9)

then find the intervals of when it is increasing and that will tell me when the function is increasing. Correct?

[Tide]

So find the derivative of: f(x)=(9x^2-36)/(x^2-9)

then find the intervals of when it is increasing and that will tell me when the function is increasing. Correct?

Yes, the function is increasing when f '(x) > 0.

[arildno]

NO!!
You find the intervals where f'(x) is greater than zero, not the intervals where f'(x) is increasing..

[UrbanXrisis]

f`(x)=(90x)/(x^2-9)^2

this is positive from [0,3) and (3,infinity)

is this correct?

[arildno]

Yes; assuming your expression for f'(x) is correct.

[UrbanXrisis]

I actually cheated and used a graphing calculator to solve for when (90x)/(x^2-9)^2 is positive. How would I solve it without a graphing calculator?

[arildno]

Well, the denominator is always non-negative (why?)
Hence, only the sign of the numerator is of importance (why?)

[UrbanXrisis]

okay, I got a good understanding of it all. Thanks for the help & advice.