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Kelvie
Sep20-04, 11:28 PM
Good evening,
I am a first year engineer here and a first time poster also.

I had a problem that has been bugging me for the last few days; after much head-scratching and tree-killing, I may have solved it. I am, however, not sure at all if all my assumptions along the way are correct. So I am here to seek wisdom.

The question deals with proving the uniqueness of limits.

Prove that all limits are unique.

The textbook got me started, it said to define
\lim_{x\to a} f(x) = L
\lim_{x\to a} f(x) = M

Assume L \neq M and let \frac{|L - M|}{3} = \epsilon

So here goes my proof..


\begin{align*}
&|L-M| = |L -M + f(x) - f(x)| = |(L-f(x)) + (f(x) - M)| \\
&|L-M| \leq |-1||f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M| = |f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M|
\end{align*}


So by definition..

\begin{align*}
0 \leq |x-a| \leq \delta (\epsilon) \implies \substack{|f(x) - L| \leq \epsilon \\ and \\ |f(x) - M| \leq \epsilon} \\
\end{align*}


\begin{align*}
\therefore |L-M| &\leq 2\epsilon \\
|L-M| + \epsilon &\leq 3\epsilon \\
|L-M| + \epsilon &\leq 3 \left(\frac{|L-M|}{3}\right) \\
|L-M| + \epsilon &\leq |L-M|
\end{align*}


Which can not possibly be true, so I conclude that our initial assumption L \neq M was false, and therefore L must equal M.

Is this not the way to answering the question? If not, how should I look at this problem? What should I have done differently? What other approaches should I take?

(Side note... I REALLY hate delta-epsilon proofs..)

arildno
Sep20-04, 11:33 PM
"So I am here to seek wisdom."
Seek and ye shall recieve! (Welcome to PF!)
Yep, you've got it.
Nope, those proofs are cuties..

Kelvie
Sep20-04, 11:41 PM
So this is "hand-in"able? :P

Thanks for the timely reply, by the way.

mathwonk
Sep20-04, 11:48 PM
It is much easier in words. i.e. if L is the limit of f(x) as x approaches a, then the inverse image of every interval centered at L contains a punctured interval centered at a. same for M. But this is a contradiction if Ldoes not equal M, since then L,M are centers of disjoint intervals whose inverse images are thus disjoint. But no two punctured intervals centered at a are disjoint.

the only place epsilon is needed is to describe the size of the disjoint intervals centered at L,M, namely |L-M|/3.

Kelvie
Sep21-04, 01:52 PM
Alright, this also makes sense, doesn't it?

We ignore the assumption L \neq M[/itex] and [tex]\epsilon = \frac{|L-M|}{3}[/itex]
[tex]
\begin{align*}
&|L-M| = |L -M + f(x) - f(x)| = |(L-f(x)) + (f(x) - M)| \\
&|L-M| \leq |-1||f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M| = |f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M| \\
&|L-M| \leq |f(x) - L| + |f(x) - M|
\end{align*}


\therefore |L-M| \leq 2\epsilon


And since \epsilon is can be as arbitrarily small as we want it to be, L-M must equal 0. Is this also correct?

Side note: When using \delta - \epsilon proofs, do we use \leq or < , or does it not matter? My prof uses the former, and the textbook uses the latter.

Can I still assume |L-M| = 0 if I use \leq ? Or do I have to have it strictly less than \epsilon?

mathwonk
Sep21-04, 02:39 PM
that looks nice. as to your question, ask your self: is it true that if L is such that
0<= L <= a, for all positive a, then L is zero?

also: is it true that if L is such that
0<= L > a, for all positive a, then L is zero?

Kelvie
Sep21-04, 06:55 PM
If by the second statement you meant 0 \leq L < a then yeah, I guess they are equivalent statements.

Thank you for your help.

mathwonk
Sep21-04, 07:43 PM
right you are