How Do You Solve Complex Physics Problems Involving Newton's Laws?

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The discussion revolves around solving complex physics problems involving Newton's laws, specifically focusing on a sailboat experiencing forces and a bird landing on a telephone wire. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification related to free body diagrams and force calculations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a problem involving a sailboat and seeks help with calculating the resultant acceleration using forces acting on it.
  • Another participant suggests using the cosine law to find the magnitude of the resultant force and recommends applying F=ma to find acceleration.
  • A third participant provides calculations for the sailboat problem, detailing the components of the forces and arriving at a net force and acceleration value.
  • For the second problem regarding the bird on the telephone wire, a participant confirms the hypotenuse calculation and suggests finding the angle using trigonometric functions.
  • Further steps for calculating tension in the wire are mentioned, including the need to consider forces on the y-axis.
  • One participant shares a free body diagram as an attachment to aid in understanding the problems.

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Participants present various approaches and calculations for the problems, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the methods or final answers. Multiple viewpoints and methods remain in the discussion.

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Some calculations depend on the accuracy of free body diagrams and assumptions about angles and forces, which have not been fully resolved in the discussion.

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These problems are really giving me fits, I would really appreciate some help.

A 12200 kg sailboat experiences an eastward
force of 27400 N due to tide pushing its hull
while the wind pushes the sails with a force of
56200 N directed toward the northwest (45±
westward of North or 45± northward ofWest).
What is the magnitude of the resultant ac-
celeration of the sailboat?



I'm using Fr= square root of (Frx squared)+(Fry squared) but I'm still not getting it right. I'm thinking that maybe I drew the free body diagram wrong. Any help?

Now for this one

The distance between two telephone poles is
32 m. When a 1:15 kg bird lands on the
telephone wire midway between the poles, the
wire sags 0:182 m.
The acceleration of gravity is 9:8 m=s2 :
How much tension in the wire does the
bird produce? Ignore the weight of the wire.

So far I've drawn the diagram and got a hypotenuse of 16.001 m, but I'm unsure how to finish the problem.

Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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1. Find the magnitude using the cosine law.
2. use F=ma to find the magnitude of a.
It is easier to use the unit vector i and j. but i am afraid you haven't learned that yet. so we will approach it geometrically.
 

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First problem (sail boat)

check the attachment

Fx = F(east) - F(northwest)Xcos45 = -12339 N
Fy = F(northwest)Xsin45 = 39739 N
Fnet = Squareroot of (Fx^2 + Fy^2)
then, Fnet = ma
a = Fnet/mass = 3.4 m/s
 

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2nd problem

ok the hyp that you got is good.
a^2 + b^2 = c^2
a= 16
b = .182
c = 16.001 using the formula. Good you got until this point.

2nd step= get the angle theta. (see diagram)

90-tan (16/.182) = theta


step 3 = Get the tension by adding the Forces on the y axes. See diagram
 

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Free body diagram : Attached file.
 

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of course, I didn't draw the other tension on the other side because is understood.
 

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