Strange Water Rocket Phenomenon - Why?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon observed when a water rocket, specifically a 625 mL coke bottle filled halfway with water, is inverted. Participants explore the reasons why the water does not flow out immediately despite the force of gravity, delving into the physics involved in this behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that atmospheric pressure plays a significant role in keeping the water inside the bottle, counteracting the force of gravity.
  • One participant mentions the Rayleigh-Taylor instability, indicating that supporting a heavier fluid with a lighter one is inherently unstable.
  • Another participant references similar mechanisms in hummingbird feeders and pet rodent water bottles, which retain water until needed, implying that a good seal is crucial for this effect.
  • A participant discusses surface tension and its role in preventing the water from gushing out, explaining that the force of surface tension can balance the gravitational force under certain conditions, as described by the Bond Number.
  • One participant acknowledges a miscalculation regarding the size of the hole and expresses gratitude for the insights shared by others.
  • A later reply emphasizes that if the only hole is small, air cannot enter to displace the liquid, leading to lower pressure inside the bottle, which helps keep the liquid in place.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms at play, including atmospheric pressure, surface tension, and the role of hole size. The discussion remains unresolved as different aspects of fluid dynamics are explored without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of fluid behavior in this scenario, with various factors such as surface tension, atmospheric pressure, and hole size influencing the outcome. However, the exact interplay of these forces remains unclear.

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Today when I was toying with a water rocket I came upon a strange phenomena. The setup was like this:
I had a 625 mL coke bottle, filled half way with water. The cap had a nice hole in it, about 1.5 cm. I turned the bottle upside down, thinking that the water would just gush out, but low and behold it kept in there, only dripping once every 4 seconds or so. I tried this again, and the same result occurred :eek:
So here's my question, why did it do that? Why didnt the water just gush out at once (like it should with the force of gravity acting on it?!) What physics are involved in this?
Thanks :)
 
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There are more forces then just gravity at work. The atmosphere exerts a force as well it and this is the force which keeps the water in the bottle.
 
Integral said:
There are more forces then just gravity at work. The atmosphere exerts a force as well it and this is the force which keeps the water in the bottle.

But not for too long - supporting a heavier fluid with a lighter one is intrinsicaly unstable (Rayleigh-Taylor!).
 
Humm... Humming bird feeders, pet rodent water bottles all seem to hold the water for on demand release. As long as the seal is good they retain water nearly indefinitely.
 
Solidmozza said:
Today when I was toying with a water rocket I came upon a strange phenomena. The setup was like this:
I had a 625 mL coke bottle, filled half way with water. The cap had a nice hole in it, about 1.5 cm. I turned the bottle upside down, thinking that the water would just gush out, but low and behold it kept in there, only dripping once every 4 seconds or so. I tried this again, and the same result occurred :eek:
So here's my question, why did it do that? Why didnt the water just gush out at once (like it should with the force of gravity acting on it?!) What physics are involved in this?
Thanks :)

First of all it seems to me that the hole is too larger for experimenting what you've said. Anyway, the water does not gush out due to the surface tension. This phenomena is typical in hydrostatics and fluids at rest, and when certain ratios between dimensions, capillarity forces and gravity forces are reached. This figures are measured by the Bond Number:

[tex]B_o=\frac{\sigma}{R^2 \rho g}=\frac{72.8\cdot 10^-3}{(1.5\cdot 10^-2)^2 1000 \cdot 9.8}=0.03[/tex]

It's roughly of order 1, so that I've said I think your hole is too larger. Anyway, the force of surface tension will be approximately of the order of gravity forces in the neighborhood of the hole.

The surface tension acts like a solid membrane in the water surface. You have to push down this membrane in order to get through it. This force is balanced with the gravity force. For example, when you fill an extremely narrow pipe with water, leaving is both sections opened, and put it upside down, the fluid does not flow across the pipe due to the gravity force. By contrast, the force that counteracts the gravity is the surface tension. If you see carefully the bottom opened section of the pipe, you will see a slight curvature of the surface. This curvature balances the gravity force, "stressing" the water surface itself in order to avoid the fluid flow.
 
Yeah It was smaller than that, I just realized (i was estimating :-p ) but thanks for that Clausius, I knew something was up!
Thanks for all the quick replies!
 
If the only hole is a small one at the bottom of your set-up, then air also can't get into displace any liquid, so the liquid stays in. After a few drips, you get a lower pressure inside than outside the bottle, so the liquid stays in...or am I just stating the same thing Integral did with regard to atmospheric forces holding the water in? I'm not sure. Sorry, I can't answer with any fancy equations...I'm just a biologist :-p
 

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