Does Silver Lining in a Beaker Minimize Heat Loss Through Radiation?

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The discussion revolves around the effectiveness of using a silver lining in a beaker to minimize heat loss through radiation during an experiment. Participants explore the implications of using a transparent beaker and the role of infrared radiation in heat loss, particularly at high temperatures such as 1000 degrees Celsius.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the effectiveness of a silver lining in reducing heat loss, particularly through infrared radiation, and seeks clarification on the behavior of infrared radiation in transparent materials.
  • Another participant notes that while glass is transparent to visible and near-infrared light, this does not necessarily imply that heat loss through infrared radiation is negligible.
  • There is a suggestion that enclosing the beaker in aluminum foil could reflect heat back into it, although concerns about aluminum's melting point at high temperatures are raised.
  • Participants discuss the difficulty of calculating the amount of infrared radiation retained in a beaker with silver sides at high temperatures, questioning whether radiation loss is significant compared to conduction.
  • Clarifications are made regarding temperature conversions between Celsius and Fahrenheit, highlighting the importance of specifying units in discussions about high temperatures.
  • One participant emphasizes that radiation is only one mechanism of heat transfer and that conduction and convection must also be considered in the context of heat loss.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the effectiveness of silver linings and aluminum foil for heat retention, with no consensus reached on the significance of heat loss through radiation at high temperatures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the calculations and implications of these heat transfer mechanisms.

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Limitations include the lack of specific calculations for heat retention in the beaker, uncertainties regarding the behavior of infrared radiation in transparent materials, and the dependency on temperature units in the discussion.

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If I have a beaker and it is being lined with silver. I use this in an experiment and it is essential that as little heat is lost to the surroundings as possible. How effective would this be?

Can I use the logic that since light passes through the transparent beaker, infrared radiation should behave likewise? and I am I right to say that a significant amount of heat is being lost as IR radiation due to a transparent beaker? Thanks a lot.
 
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If it helps, I know that glass is transparent from 400 nm to 2500 nm. This encompasses VIS and near IR, but the logic you suggest doesn't work in general. I do believe that a significant amount of heat is lost.

If you enclose your beaker in aluminum foil, you will reflect the heat back into it, and this seems to be what you're looking for.
 
Thanks, is there a way to calculate how much IR radiation would be kept in the beaker if I put use a beaker with silver sides? Will it be significant, the heat being kept inside the beaker by radiation, if we have say, a temperature of 1000 degrees?

Also, compared to conduction, is there significant heat lost through radiation at a 1000 degrees ?
 
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Well, 1000 degrees will melt most metals. And it would probably be much easier to measure or find measured reflexion spectra than to calculate them. I'd have to check what's involved in the calculation.
 
misogynisticfeminist said:
Thanks, is there a way to calculate how much IR radiation would be kept in the beaker if I put use a beaker with silver sides? Will it be significant, the heat being kept inside the beaker by radiation, if we have say, a temperature of 1000 degrees?

Also, compared to conduction, is there significant heat lost through radiation at a 1000 degrees ?
Houston, we have a problem!

The melting point of Aluminum is 660C Since you do not specify the units of your temperature we can only guess, but 1000F = 1832C so you will not be able you use Al foil for an insulator at those temperatures. That is pretty hot! you will need a lot of insulation to maintain that temperature, regardless of which scale you are using. Radiation is only one mechanism of heat transfer, both conduction and convection must be considered, and a simply layer of foil will not help those much. Especially at such high temperatures.
 
Integral: 1000 deg F = 537.8 deg C

You meant 1000 deg C = 1832 C
 
Tide said:
Integral: 1000 deg F = 537.8 deg C

You meant 1000 deg C = 1832 C
:biggrin:

1000C = 1832 F

Yep, we'll get it right sooner or later!

To much work, to little sleep!
 
Oh, actually, not really aluminium foil that is going to be used, just a beaker with silvered sides, something like a thermoflask. Definitely other methods of heat transmission would be taken into account such as conduction, convection, but is heat lost through radiation significant at a thousand degrees...celsius... :smile: in case you guys are confused.
 

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