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As a school project I would like to ask if you beleive in numerology (The study of numbers on human affairs). So all I need you to do is post and vote yes or no. And if you want too you can state your opinion.
It's nonsense, but I'll allow the poll since people like voting.
As a school project I would like to ask if you beleive in numerology (The study of numbers on human affairs). So all I need you to do is post and vote yes or no. And if you want too you can state your opinion.
It depends on what we mean when we say a number, if we are talking about numerology then no, it's a load of rubbish, if we mean numbers such as the fine-structure constant then it does have a large impact on human life at least.
JaredJames
Feb24-11, 03:19 PM
For me it's as above, numerology = load of BS. I suppose numbers as in bank related, certainly.
No, not at all. I don't believe in the supernatural.
Of course, I only listen to advice from fortune tellers.
Sure they do. You think we behave the same whatever we have 100 Euros or 1000000 in a back account ?
Containment
Feb24-11, 03:25 PM
If you use very general loose terms you don't have to be very accurate with your predictions because they encompass a wide enough range they will work for most everyone. However it might be possible that statistically people born in month xyz are more likely to have kids on xyz date or have a parent pass away ect i'm not totally sure about that.
dacruick
Feb24-11, 03:28 PM
If you use very general loose terms you don't have to be very accurate with your predictions because they encompass a wide enough range they will work for most everyone. However it might be possible that statistically people born in month xyz are more likely to have kids on xyz date or have a parent pass away ect i'm not totally sure about that.
Thats not really an example of how numbers can affect people though.
cobalt124
Feb24-11, 03:29 PM
Numbers only have an effect to the extent people allow them to. So no, wait yes. ermm...
Smiles302
Feb24-11, 03:29 PM
BS, they make this junk up as they go along.
If you use very general loose terms you don't have to be very accurate with your predictions because they encompass a wide enough range they will work for most everyone. However it might be possible that statistically people born in month xyz are more likely to have kids on xyz date or have a parent pass away ect i'm not totally sure about that.
Correlation doesn't mean causation. 666 anyone ?
DavidSnider
Feb24-11, 03:33 PM
Maybe in sort of the same way Astrology affects some people's personality.
While everyone possess all the attributes for all the different zodiac signs to certain degrees, just having the idea float around that people born during your time of the year have a certain affinity for that attribute might actually make them develop that attribute to a higher degree.
So for example Pisces may actually be statistically more shy, introspective, feminine, whatever, but not because of the stars, but because of a labeling bias.
I saw an interesting news item recently where as a sort of marketing joke an insurance company posted accident rates by zodiac signs and they got a ton of complaints from people thinking this was one of there real actuarial variables. They had to send out a press release saying it wasn't. Though I was curious why not if it's statistically true.
Gokul43201
Feb24-11, 04:07 PM
I went with "no" on the poll.
I assumed the questions dealt specifically with numerology, i.e., numbers such as the how many letters in your name, etc. There is a caveat though. I believe that numerological watchammacallits may have a placebo-like effect on people that believe in numerology.
Not english letters and numbers though. Only Hebrew. Thank you, don't ask me. The study is way too advanced for me. I just know scholars of Talmud who have found evidence of this.
I voted no. At the same time number 50 starts to play more and more important role in my life, so to some extent I should vote yes :grumpy:
If you're talking about the number of $s, then yes.
I think being good at messin' with numbers can predispose you to being overly confident in your intelligence. But it's not necessarily anything more than a correlation.
disregardthat
Feb24-11, 07:58 PM
I think being good at messin' with numbers can predispose you to being overly confident in your intelligence. But it's not necessarily anything more than a correlation.
Quite on the contrary, I find it more common that mathematicians places uselessness at basic arithmetic as more of a positive trait, half-jokingly perhaps.
Quite on the contrary, I find it more common that mathematicians "brag" about their uselessness at basic arithmetic.This has nothing to do with math, it's about the supernatural. Numerology is supernatural. I hope you understood that when you voted.
JaredJames
Feb24-11, 08:02 PM
This has nothing to do with math, it's about the supernatural. Numerology is supernatural. I hope you understood that when you voted.
I don't think anyone here read the OP before thinking about their response.
disregardthat
Feb24-11, 08:04 PM
This has nothing to do with math, it's about the supernatural. Numerology is supernatural. I hope you understood that when you voted.
Are you supervising and commenting on personal votes? Mind you I did it for fun and effect, but I didn't expect to be ratted out! Of course I know the issue and is probably of the same opinion of you about numerology, but I was commenting directly to TylerH's statement.
I don't think anyone here read the OP before thinking about their response.Some did, some didn't, some don't know what numerology is.
Are you supervising and commenting on personal votes? Mind you I did it for fun and effect, but I didn't expect to be ratted out! Of course I know the issue and is probably of same opinion of you, but I was commenting directly to TylerH's statement.The vote is a public poll, you can see who voted by clicking on the number of votes. I'm afraid some people are voting as a joke and skewing the OP's results.
disregardthat
Feb24-11, 08:09 PM
The vote is a public poll, you can see who voted by clicking on the number of votes.
I wasn't aware, that's too bad. In any case I think you see that I wasn't commenting on OP's question.
I don't think anyone here read the OP before thinking about their response.
To be fair, the title has more of an explanation of "numerology" than the OP does.
JaredJames
Feb24-11, 08:42 PM
The title doesn't mention numerology, only the OP does.
If you vote without reading the OP you won't realise it is about numerology.
So the title means nothing in this case.
If people don't know what numerology is, they should look it up before they vote.
nismaratwork
Feb24-11, 08:52 PM
Sorry Lacy...
I voted no, but I would say that I find some numbers VERY significant.
1: The number of hearts you want to have.
2: The number of testicles you want to have if you're male.
3: The number of testicles you don't want to have if you're male.
0: The number of testicles you REALLY don't want to have if you're male.
1: The ideal number of "Penasia" (Louis C.K.) a man should have, but undesirable in ladies.
42: If you don't get this, I don't get you. GOOGLE IT.
1024: More accurate than 1000.
7: Most common favorite number.
JaredJames
Feb24-11, 08:54 PM
I'm glad you included 1024, but extremely happy you put 42 in the list!
nismaratwork
Feb24-11, 08:57 PM
I'm glad you included 1024, but extremely happy you put 42 in the list!
:biggrin: I knew I liked you for all kinds of good reasons!
Proton Soup
Feb24-11, 09:25 PM
i read the OP. and then i just voted the way i wanted to. which is that numbers obviously affect people.
JaredJames
Feb24-11, 09:31 PM
I'm glad you included 1024, but extremely happy you put 42 in the list!
:biggrin: I knew I liked you for all kinds of good reasons!
Ha, just realised something seeing as we're on the subject of numerology:
Do you not see the special meaning of 1024 and 42?
Double the first half and halve the second half of 1024 = 2012
Half of 42 = 21
What do you get, 21 2012. Now all I need is the something to give me the month.
Which funny enough I would have had. If you add up the rest of your 'special numbers': 1+2+3+1+7 = 14. However, when I was reading them and saw "The number of testicles you don't want to have if you're male." my first thoughts were 1.
So substitute the 3 for a 1 and you get your 12.
Which gives us 21st of December 2012.
*bows to applause from readers*
Wow, I just BS'd my way through numerology 101! :biggrin:
i read the OP. and then i just voted the way i wanted to. which is that numbers obviously affect people.But that's not the question.
Is it too much to ask that people understand what numerology is before they vote? It's not that difficult to read up on it people.
This is just a silly poll, but it demonstrates how many people will vote when they are completely clueless as to what they are voting on.
Proton Soup
Feb24-11, 09:36 PM
But that's not the question.
it is the poll question, as worded. but, more importantly to me, numerology may be right about some things, if for the wrong reasons.
it is the poll question, as worded. but, more importantly to me, numerology may be right about some things, if for the wrong reasons.
So you believe in the supernatural?
Proton Soup
Feb24-11, 09:46 PM
So you believe in the supernatural?
that is a different question. numbers may affect people for perfectly natural reasons.
that is a different question. numbers may affect people for perfectly natural reasons.But do you believe in numerology? That was the poll question.
Proton Soup
Feb24-11, 09:49 PM
But do you believe in numerology? That was the poll question.
if you wish to remove my vote, then please do so.
How could a simple question do you believe in numerology stimulate a discussion without a head and a tail ... :surprised
disregardthat
Feb24-11, 09:54 PM
How could a simple question do you believe in numerology stimulate a discussion without a head and a tail ... :surprised
Such is the nature of the General discussion forum.
Such is the nature of the General discussion forum.
Yes, I was joking :biggrin:
I voted No. I am curious what kind of school project is that. Schools don't teach numerology ...
So you believe in the supernatural?
Tried to double quote here but would not work for me.
"believe in the supernatural?" is very strong. There a lot of things I am waiting for technology to make available to us in a clear and reasonable way.
I think some things termed supernatural are just plain hogwash. But a lot of things, this topic perhaps not being one, I don't know, are very close to finding a place in the science labs.
I started with PF long time ago with hopes of understanding a respectable way to present "metaphysics." We may remember that one of the mentors here even stood by my attempt to get it going.
It was not the time.
I spoke often to Brian Greene about this as well and where he did not dismiss para/metaphysics he said he "had not yet seen a reasonable explanation."
"supernatural" comes with a ton of really bad stuff. Stuff I would not get near for anything.
It needs another name.
Again, I do not know anything about Gematria, a Jewish numerology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria
But I would not rule it out.
I go by the standard definition of supernatural.
The term supernatural or supranatural (Latin: super, supra "above" + natura "nature") pertains to being above or beyond what is natural, unexplainable by natural law or phenomena. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural
I go by the standard definition of supernatural.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural
Ok, I read that and it's the very nightmare people interested in Metaphysics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics
And the paranormal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology
Are going to be scooped up in.
But this is an old topic here. I even found one of my original posts when looking for these references.
I just think "supernatural" includes things like witchcraft and other semi faith based things that would not be even close to science.
Pythagorean
Feb24-11, 11:18 PM
despite the implications of my name, no I don't believe in supernatural numerology.
Chi Meson
Feb25-11, 05:24 AM
Not english letters and numbers though. Only Hebrew. Thank you, don't ask me. The study is way too advanced for me. I just know scholars of Talmud who have found evidence of this.
Well now I know of someone who knows scholars of Talmud, and doggonnit that's good enough for me!
JaredJames
Feb25-11, 06:16 AM
I just think "supernatural" includes things like witchcraft and other semi faith based things that would not be even close to science.
Your beliefs are your own and they are entirely down to yourself, however there is a reason all these get lumped together in the eyes of science.
Science requires a certain set of criteria in order to for it to grant its view on the subject - all of these topics have failed in that criteria.
For example, science requests proof / evidence for the phenomenon.
Numerology, as with ghosts and magic etc have never produced any acceptable evidence under the criteria for science to accept it. People perceive there being evidence - the numbers predict you're going to bump into an old friend - but they ignore all the predictions that don't come true - the vast majority made.
Now people will argue about this constantly, but that's just how it is.
Your beliefs are your own and they are entirely down to yourself, however there is a reason all these get lumped together in the eyes of science.
Hi jarednjames, Thank you for your comments on my post. I agree with how things get piled together in a grouping and suffer the company of all that is in there.
I needed to mention to a poster in a thread about ufo's. My beliefs really have nothing to do with anything I post here if you are trying to say that because I am of a "faith based" tradition and people, I have a "belief" that colors everything I say and do. No!
It does not.
It is actually the tradition of my people within the "faith based" community to question everything.
The name of this thread goes by "Do you believe numbers effect our personality?"
I think this is a poor way to present the question on a science forum. Or any forum for that matter unless you want to ID all "faithful" type personalities.
Please allow me give you an example of how "numbers" and weak studies that fall under science and in this case the medical field do effect our personalities and very lives.
I am a survivor of domestic violence, a lot of people here know this.
Many years ago while being seen for a pre natal check up and broke out in tears and told the doctor I was being beat every day and many time knocked out. The doctor gave ME a tranquilizer.
Now you can start counting and calculating how numbers, observation, science, commerce, and failed science studies can actually kill someone.
I took the medicine. My baby thankfully was born OK. I continued to take beatings but finally left successfully.
Fast forward many years.
An arranged marriage in a "faith based" community and I get another abuser. Mazel Tov! First he breaks the glass and then he breaks my head.
From the part of the world where he comes this is how they treat women.
It's a custom a tradition.
He says to me "a woman has a snake in her and the husband needs to beat it to come out of her mouth and then she will be a "faithful" loving wife." :surprised
This man was not an American which I am and I was not up on this tradition.
He watched me very carefully and it was hard to get out but I did. Thankfully before dying.
I ended up in a battered woman's shelter and like all woman there, went through medical exams and psychological evaluation.
Are you counting? Are you sleeping? WAKE UP! Thank you.
My symptoms at the time were shaking uncontrollably, scattered thinking, fainting, .... Well you might imagine, I was afraid this man would find me and kill me, a shared feeling of many battered people.
COUNT!
That psychiatrist threw the book at me. The entire DSM IV. I went in a terrified young woman who could not even trust her own "faith based" leaders who I was imagining knew this man would beat me, and came out of her office a full schizophrenic with a huge amount of medications to keep me from being a danger to myself and others.
I did not take that medication. I waited ....... 12 years later, I finally ended up with the correct diagnosis. PTSD, depression and anxiety d/o. I never had schizophrenia.
Psychiatry is a part of the medical system that is based on science that is based on numbers.
How much "belief," speculation and and room for error is there in this very dangerous area of science that is based on data (numbers)?
Thankfully it is advancing. But it did not do so without the data of which I am part.
JaredJames
Feb25-11, 09:30 AM
Lacy, that sounds terrible. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Now, to get straight to the point (and this going to sound a lot harsher than I mean it to) - where do numbers come into any of that? I'm even curious where science relating to numerology comes into it.
I'm not sure about your first marriage, how that one came about, perhaps the same as the second?. But the cause of the second one a) for getting you into it and b) for the attitude towards women is cultural and religion based - nothing scientific or number related there.
Psychiatry is a part of the medical system that is based on science that is based on numbers.
Numbers, assumptions and predictions.
But those numbers aren't based on numerology - far from it.
This thread is about numerology. Nothing in your post is related to it. Of course, numbers as you describe affect our daily lives - my bank account does on a daily basis, but this is absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
(See, a lot harsher than I wanted it to be.)
Jared,
Thank you again.
I beg you to realize this was not a moment for me to come out of the closet and share my sad story. Mine is actually a happy story. I survived the abusers and the first psychiatrist as well.
My story (example) has everything to do with science. My post was not about marriage.
The point I am trying to make and with a lot of case history for you at my expense is that all students of the sciences need to go up on the ladder and look from a higher altitude.
Disassembled some of your older models, for example the grouping of words and the use of the word belief.
It's possible numerology does have some worth. Maybe it is just the way it is presented.
The OP did not specify which system of numerology.
You your self said it.
Originally Posted by Proton Soup
it is the poll question, as worded. but, more importantly to me, numerology may be right about some things, if for the wrong reasons.
I do have to get busy on something.
Good day
nismaratwork
Feb25-11, 01:17 PM
Hi jarednjames, Thank you for your comments on my post. I agree with how things get piled together in a grouping and suffer the company of all that is in there.
I needed to mention to a poster in a thread about ufo's. My beliefs really have nothing to do with anything I post here if you are trying to say that because I am of a "faith based" tradition and people, I have a "belief" that colors everything I say and do. No!
It does not.
It is actually the tradition of my people within the "faith based" community to question everything.
The name of this thread goes by "Do you believe numbers effect our personality?"
I think this is a poor way to present the question on a science forum. Or any forum for that matter unless you want to ID all "faithful" type personalities.
Please allow me give you an example of how "numbers" and weak studies that fall under science and in this case the medical field do effect our personalities and very lives.
I am a survivor of domestic violence, a lot of people here know this.
Many years ago while being seen for a pre natal check up and broke out in tears and told the doctor I was being beat every day and many time knocked out. The doctor gave ME a tranquilizer.
Now you can start counting and calculating how numbers, observation, science, commerce, and failed science studies can actually kill someone.
I took the medicine. My baby thankfully was born OK. I continued to take beatings but finally left successfully.
Fast forward many years.
An arranged marriage in a "faith based" community and I get another abuser. Mazel Tov! First he breaks the glass and then he breaks my head.
From the part of the world where he comes this is how they treat women.
It's a custom a tradition.
He says to me "a woman has a snake in her and the husband needs to beat it to come out of her mouth and then she will be a "faithful" loving wife." :surprised
This man was not an American which I am and I was not up on this tradition.
He watched me very carefully and it was hard to get out but I did. Thankfully before dying.
I ended up in a battered woman's shelter and like all woman there, went through medical exams and psychological evaluation.
Are you counting? Are you sleeping? WAKE UP! Thank you.
My symptoms at the time were shaking uncontrollably, scattered thinking, fainting, .... Well you might imagine, I was afraid this man would find me and kill me, a shared feeling of many battered people.
COUNT!
That psychiatrist threw the book at me. The entire DSM IV. I went in a terrified young woman who could not even trust her own "faith based" leaders who I was imagining knew this man would beat me, and came out of her office a full schizophrenic with a huge amount of medications to keep me from being a danger to myself and others.
I did not take that medication. I waited ....... 12 years later, I finally ended up with the correct diagnosis. PTSD, depression and anxiety d/o. I never had schizophrenia.
Psychiatry is a part of the medical system that is based on science that is based on numbers.
How much "belief," speculation and and room for error is there in this very dangerous area of science that is based on data (numbers)?
Thankfully it is advancing. But it did not do so without the data of which I am part.
...And this is why you're so loveable, interesting, and still intellectually honest. I take your meaning, there is science, there is that borderland of science and art (medicine), and the practiced arts (psychology).
You know I don't believe in numerology of any kind, but part of not meeting scientific standards is that there is no time limit. People can have beliefs, explore them, and as long as they return to the beginning with the scientific method, you won't be led far astray. It's not what you explore or believe that defines you, if you're willing to accept its place in the world; I believe that you do.
@Jared: I say this from personal experience around this topic, and from my professed lack of belief: Lacy is almost certainly explaining that she sees a difference between the underlying sciences, the derived sciences, and the derived scientific arts, beyond which are non-scientific arts. Those latter may or may not be real, but most importantly is recognizing what is a cultural or personal belief while not calling it science. If I didn't know her and others of a similar mindset, I'd react much as you have, but in this case I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
...And this is why you're so loveable, interesting, and still intellectually honest. I take your meaning, there is science, there is that borderland of science and art (medicine), and the practiced arts (psychology).
You know I don't believe in numerology of any kind, but part of not meeting scientific standards is that there is no time limit. People can have beliefs, explore them, and as long as they return to the beginning with the scientific method, you won't be led far astray. It's not what you explore or believe that defines you, if you're willing to accept its place in the world; I believe that you do.
@Jared: I say this from personal experience around this topic, and from my professed lack of belief: Lacy is almost certainly explaining that she sees a difference between the underlying sciences, the derived sciences, and the derived scientific arts, beyond which are non-scientific arts. Those latter may or may not be real, but most importantly is recognizing what is a cultural or personal belief while not calling it science. If I didn't know her and others of a similar mindset, I'd react much as you have, but in this case I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
You know nismar, where I come from we call friends like you family. However from the little personal information I have been able to get from you I would almost have to call our friendship "faith based" :rofl: requiring me to be a whole lot more "religious" than I would have otherwise been. I don't know where we would be related unless you came from that rabbit family one of my family married into.
That you come from India and are transplanted somewhere "safe." That you are actually Older than me by 3-4 years and you are working on something you don't talk about.
If not an actual country could you just give me some PO box I can mail you a Golden Shovel and waste high boots. Thanks and thank you Jared.
It is amazing to find what kind of things people do...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12585706
Voodoo ritual :surprised
It is amazing to find what kind of things people do...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12585706
Voodoo ritual :surprised
Yes, I beleive numbers effect human affairs
For example the number of brain cells one is using.
mugaliens
Feb26-11, 02:44 AM
For example the number of brain cells one is using.
Some of us are using far less than with which were were originally blessed.
ThomasT
Feb26-11, 04:55 AM
As a school project I would like to ask if you beleive in numerology (The study of numbers on human affairs). So all I need you to do is post and vote yes or no. And if you want too you can state your opinion.I don't know what numerology is, and as an expression of that I chose to not vote.
mugaliens
Feb26-11, 06:15 AM
I go by the standard definition of supernatural.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural
If it's in my apartment without my permission and I can't aikido it's *** to the floor, I stop caring whether it's pre or post dead. If it's not screaming for bloody life, repentence, and the absolution of prior sins, it's dead.
Questions?
I really am a nice guy, by the way, and keep getting invited to parties in part because I believe in what's right.
As my mother in law told me years ago: "Do the right thing." Thanks, Rosalie. I always have, and always will.
mugaliens
Feb26-11, 06:26 AM
I don't know what numerology is, and as an expression of that I chose to not vote.
Lol, perhaps that's the wisest choice. :)
nismaratwork
Feb26-11, 12:10 PM
You know nismar, where I come from we call friends like you family. However from the little personal information I have been able to get from you I would almost have to call our friendship "faith based" :rofl: requiring me to be a whole lot more "religious" than I would have otherwise been. I don't know where we would be related unless you came from that rabbit family one of my family married into.
That you come from India and are transplanted somewhere "safe." That you are actually Older than me by 3-4 years and you are working on something you don't talk about.
If not an actual country could you just give me some PO box I can mail you a Golden Shovel and waste high boots. Thanks and thank you Jared.
Now it's that kind of misinformation that's going to get me into trouble! :wink: Still, right back at you, in only good ways. :smile: Besides, you already gave me a great line, "...I call that failing math."(Lacy33) I know where you stand, and how you view the world, differently than I and many here, but by no means incompatible.
@Mugs: Good advice... remind me not to accost you in your apartment... or ever! :biggrin:
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