Law of conservation of energy problems

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The problem involves a mass attached to a spring, where the mass is displaced from equilibrium and given an initial speed. Participants are discussing the application of the law of conservation of energy to determine the maximum speed and maximum stretch of the spring in terms of the given quantities.

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  • Participants are examining the conservation of energy equation, questioning the correctness of derived expressions for maximum speed and maximum stretch. There is discussion on the validity of mathematical manipulations and the interpretation of energy states.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the correctness of the original poster's answers, indicating that while the method used is appropriate, there are errors in the mathematical expressions. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and refine the approach to the problem.

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Participants are working under the assumption that friction is negligible and the mass of the spring can be ignored, focusing solely on the energy transformations involved in the system.

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The problem:
A mass m is attached to the end of a spring (constant k). The mass is given an initial displacement Xo from equilibrium, and an initial speed Vi. Ignoring friction and the mass of the spring, use energy methods to find (a) its maximum speed, and (b) its maximum stretch from equilibrium, in terms of the given quantities

The answer I got for part a:
[tex]v_{f} = \left(\frac{(kx_{0}^2 + mv_{i}^2)}{m}\right)^{1/2} = \left(\frac{kx_{o}^2}{m}\right)^{1/2} + v_{i}[/tex]

- I set [tex]PE_{i} + KE_{i} = PE_{f} + KE_{f}[/tex] and crossed out [tex]PE_{f}[/tex] because max velocity occurs at zero potential

The answer I got for part b:
[tex]x = \left({\frac{mv_{i}^2}{k}}\right)^{1/2} = v_{i}\left(\frac{m}{k}\right)^{1/2}[/tex]

- Again I used law of conservation of energy equation, and crossed [tex]KE_{f}[/tex] and [tex]PE_{i}[/tex] because the max stretch occurrs when [tex]PE_{f}[/tex] is maximum, therefore [tex]KE_{f} = 0[/tex]. The box's [tex]PE_{i} = 0[/tex] ( starting off from part a )

What I want to know is whether these answers are correct, as I have absolutely no other way, except for my own intillect, to find out.
 
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FarazAli said:
The answer I got for part a:
[tex]v_{f} = \left(\frac{(kx_{0}^2 + mv_{i}^2)}{m}\right)^{1/2} = \left(\frac{kx_{o}^2}{m}\right)^{1/2} + v_{i}[/tex]
This part is correct:
[tex]v_{f} = \left(\frac{(kx_{0}^2 + mv_{i}^2)}{m}\right)^{1/2}[/tex]
But that does not equal
[tex]\left(\frac{kx_{o}^2}{m}\right)^{1/2} + v_{i}[/tex]
Realize that [itex](a^2 + b^2)^{1/2} \ne a + b[/itex].

- I set [tex]PE_{i} + KE_{i} = PE_{f} + KE_{f}[/tex] and crossed out [tex]PE_{f}[/tex] because max velocity occurs at zero potential
The method is correct.

The answer I got for part b:
[tex]x = \left({\frac{mv_{i}^2}{k}}\right)^{1/2} = v_{i}\left(\frac{m}{k}\right)^{1/2}[/tex]
This is incorrect. Your answer for b should be very similar to the answer for a, except that you solve for maximum X, instead of maximum V.
 
silly mistake. Thanks.

So I redid the second part and got this:
[tex]\left(\frac{kx_{0}^2 + mv_{i}^2}{k}\right)^{1/2}[/tex]
 
Looks good to me.
 
thanks for the help
 

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