Is an Odd Order Permutation Always an Even Permutation?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a permutation with an odd order must necessarily be an even permutation. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties of permutations within the context of group theory, specifically focusing on the implications of permutation order.

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  • One participant presents a proof attempt involving the notation e=epsilon and expressions related to the order of permutations.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the definitions used, specifically the meaning of "order" of a permutation and the roles of variables A, B, k, and a.
  • A third participant clarifies that the order of a permutation refers to its order as an element of the group of permutations, suggesting that A is the permutation with odd order and discussing the properties of odd and even permutations.
  • A later reply indicates that the clarification provided was helpful to the original poster, suggesting a better understanding of the problem.

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The discussion does not reach a consensus on whether an odd order permutation is always an even permutation, as participants are still exploring definitions and properties rather than concluding the argument.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the notation and definitions used, particularly concerning the variables and the specific properties of permutations being discussed.

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Readers interested in group theory, particularly those studying permutations and their properties, may find this discussion relevant.

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I have been working with the following question for quite awhile:

Show that a permutation with an odd order must be an even
permutation.

I have made some progress, but I am having trouble putting it altogether
to make my proof coherent.

This is what i have so far:

Let e= epsilon
Say BA^(2ka+1)= ae. Then BA^(2ka)=BA^(-1).
But BA^(2k)=(BA^ka)^2 is even.

I know that I am on the right track but I can't seem to put
it altogether. Can someone help me please. If I could
just have it explained Iam sure I will understand.
 
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It would help if you told us what your notation, etc. meant.

1. How are you defining the "order" of a permutation?

2. Are A and B premutations? If so which is intended to be the "permutation with odd order?

3. What is k? what is a?
 
I suppose the order of a permutation is its order as an element of the group of permutations, i.e. that A^k = id for some odd number k>0, and for no smaller positive integer.

Then we claim A is "even". Recall that a product of an odd number of "odd" permutations is also "odd"...

does that help?
 
Yes you have helped me very much, I think I have a handle on the problem know than you both. :)
 

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