Cyberculture

[Protonic]

We all know Techno,Trance and House. Then there's he dark genres of EBM,Industrial, and Elektro. But is this music or part of a culture. An article I read said goths are smarter than the average joe and are more likely to choose electronics for their job,business, or poetry. Ravers alot may not think are smart but they all use The Internet. They and I do many of the same things. Here I'm going to list the things that makeup our culture.

1.Electronics: Computers,PDAs,Ipods,clelphones
2.Art: Electronic Music, Digitized graphics,lighting(clubs,raves,concerts)
3.Mythology: UFOlogy,aliens,Sci-Fi Religions(Scientology,Raelians,Unarians,Jedi
4.Games: Videogames,interactive multimedia
5.Proffesions: Technological proffessions,engineering,science,mathematics

I don't know about #6 Fashion. This is cause we wear what we want. Being hat alot of Cyberpunks are goths,punks, and ravers I guess candykid wear, althletic apparell,,plaid, spikes,mohawks,dark clothings,rechcoats,wifebeaters, and combat boots.
Then there's the other aspect of the culture..#7 food. While there isn't any official I guess microwave food cause you cook it via electronics. Then there's fast food, not cooked electronicly but a cheap instant versionof all the world's foods. That's kinda like Electronics Music a digital version of all the world's existing music.
Then there's lingo. Ravers have their own language. Industrial goth doesn't that I know of but it takes from Metal-Rock which does.rave cultre is based around Hip Hop which has not only wear and art but language too. know alot of raver-goths listen to alot of other music and I sad they're based on other cultures. So that's 8.
The let's go to #9 state of mind. While many cyberpunks take drugs to alter thei state of mind most of them have the same philosophy. Be free, is that, they're liberals who rebel and don't care what they wear. Many are against corporations,rulers and organized religions. Just be yourself and let it flow is sorta the philosophy.
Then number 10. While many cyberpunks live in liberal cities like San Fransisco,Austin,Orlando,Seattle, ad New York I want to talk about an unseen territory. They conservatives and powers tha be may run this turf but cyberpunks have their own terrain....The Internet. Myspace,Facebook,forums, chatrooms,and websites. Yes we have our own cyberplanet. Don't know if this is a good 11 but we even have our ownsexform....Cybersex.Don't know if anybody still does that though.
I say this since other enres like Hip Hop and Punk are recognize as cultures. 1-5 are certain there others are possible.

[Pengwuino]

Certainly worthy of a wikipedia article.

[Evo]

We all know Techno,Trance and House. Then there's he dark genres of EBM,Industrial, and Elektro. But is this music or part of a culture. An article I read said goths are smarter than the average joe and are more likely to choose electronics for their job,business, or poetry. Ravers alot may not think are smart but they all use The Internet. They and I do many of the same things. Here I'm going to list the things that makeup our culture.

1.Electronics: Computers,PDAs,Ipods,clelphones
2.Art: Electronic Music, Digitized graphics,lighting(clubs,raves,concerts)
3.Mythology: UFOlogy,aliens,Sci-Fi Religions(Scientology,Raelians,Unarians,Jedi
4.Games: Videogames,interactive multimedia
5.Proffesions: Technological proffessions,engineering,science,mathematics

I don't know about #6 Fashion. This is cause we wear what we want. Being hat alot of Cyberpunks are goths,punks, and ravers I guess candykid wear, althletic apparell,,plaid, spikes,mohawks,dark clothings,rechcoats,wifebeaters, and combat boots.
Then there's the other aspect of the culture..#7 food. While there isn't any official I guess microwave food cause you cook it via electronics. Then there's fast food, not cooked electronicly but a cheap instant versionof all the world's foods. That's kinda like Electronics Music a digital version of all the world's existing music.
Then there's lingo. Ravers have their own language. Industrial goth doesn't that I know of but it takes from Metal-Rock which does.rave cultre is based around Hip Hop which has not only wear and art but language too. know alot of raver-goths listen to alot of other music and I sad they're based on other cultures. So that's 8.
The let's go to #9 state of mind. While many cyberpunks take drugs to alter thei state of mind most of them have the same philosophy. Be free, is that, they're liberals who rebel and don't care what they wear. Many are against corporations,rulers and organized religions. Just be yourself and let it flow is sorta the philosophy.
Then number 10. While many cyberpunks live in liberal cities like San Fransisco,Austin,Orlando,Seattle, ad New York I want to talk about an unseen territory. They conservatives and powers tha be may run this turf but cyberpunks have their own terrain....The Internet. Myspace,Facebook,forums, chatrooms,and websites. Yes we have our own cyberplanet. Don't know if this is a good 11 but we even have our ownsexform....Cybersex.Don't know if anybody still does that though.
I say this since other enres like Hip Hop and Punk are recognize as cultures. 1-5 are certain there others are possible.HUH? Is this about fashion? These people merely pay for a space to talk, they don't understand it, they have a little niche of their sites, and they don't control even that. Most people ae not even aware of their existence, to be honest.

[TheStatutoryApe]

I think that the music based subcultures are really starting to blend together. A while back everyone seemed to be trying to find their niche and be "different". Eventually though any individual subculture became a rebel cliche and people started fusing subcultures and making in-between culture. You get things like "nerdcore" and "psychobilly" and subcultural "revivals" like "swing" and "ska". Even in mainstream we had the "alternative" musicians mixing rock with rap.

As they got older many people just started admitting that they enjoyed all sorts of subcultures. The host of a music subculture site I go to occasionally one day admitted that she found she really enjoyed hip hop. The site itself was a catalyst for many of us to learn more about other types of music and their subcultures and I don't think any of us really hold a strict preference any longer.

Outside the internet there is a bar I go to that is advertised as a greaser/punker dive bar. Even when they first started up they had a wide selection of music that included Dead Kennedy's, AC/DC, Hank Williams, The Pogues, and Bob Marley though the majority of music in the box has always been punk. Nowadays you go in and you will here everything from punk to blues to hip hop. The current trend there seems to be "Outlaw" subculture with a lot of bluegrass and jug band type music. One of the bartenders (an old school skate punk) wants to start a punk jug band and a bunch of the regulars with their tats and gauges are also sporting checker shirts, overalls, full beards, or even those mustaches that are curled up at the ends. Its interesting.

At any rate, what I think I am saying is that not many people seem to take the whole subculture thing very seriously anymore except as a matter of personal fashion and aesthetics (that site I mentioned earlier is very nearly dead now). The amount of overlap and mixture of culture as led people to adopt each others ideas or even realize that their philosophies and politics aren't so different anyway.

[Evo]

Yeah, what TSA said. :smile:

[nismaratwork]

"Wenn ich Kultur höre ... entsichere ich meinen Browning!" "Whenever I hear of culture... I release the safety catch of my Browning!" (Act 1, Scene 1)

[story645]

except as a matter of personal fashion and aesthetics
Even that's not so true anymore because of the sheer amount of blending/fusion/influences in the fashion scene. There's some very rave/punk/steampunk/cyberpunk influenced stuff showing up in a lot of (especially high end, but even fast fashion) brands so I've seen a lot of looks that read very punk showing up on people who aren't. (Rhianna is a great example of this). And then there's the whole hipster movement which everyone loves to hate but has been blending grunge with all sorts of things for years. Hot topic, YRB, and urban outfitters popularizing and commercializing sub-culture fashion probably had a lot to do with the fashion fusion.

I'm with TSA that many of the old genre boundaries are slipping away, though new ones are taking shape. If protonic throws out a word or two of his stream-of-conscious, he's got an apt description of free-software culture,or media-activist culture or any of a dozen other modern internet centric/internet facilitated cultures. I think sociologists somewhere do study these things.

[nismaratwork]

These are old memes circulating weakly through clotted veins of 'fashion'. Most of these ideas predate the popular animations, books, and games that popularized them, and are not some unique phenomenon.

I don't see how this is in any way a unique culture, but rather a disparate group trying to find some central identity through superficiality.

Music is one obvious example TSA brings up in which I would not apply this statement, although the glut of junk makes finding gems more than a little painful.

[AlephZero]

Humans have always liked to show their individualiiy by behaving exactly the same way as their peer group (and preferably exactly the opposite way to their parents).

Personally, I just notch that up as another argument against the idea that humans were "intelligently designed"...

[nismaratwork]

Humans have always liked to show their individualiiy by behaving exactly the same way as their peer group (and preferably exactly the opposite way to their parents).

Personally, I just notch that up as another argument against the idea that humans were "intelligently designed"...

Are you kidding? I look at Pet Rock, and it's like staring into the googly eyes of god. :wink: