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JasonRox
Oct20-04, 08:58 AM
x^(1/3)
The only way I have for this on this is to show that the derivative of x^n equals Nx^(n-1).
I can't think of a way to do it in first principles.
If I can just break up (x+h)^1/3, I'm good.
If you break that up, you get...
x^\frac{1}{3} + 1/3x^\frac{2}{9}h^\frac{1}{9} + 1/3x^\frac{1}{9}h^ \frac{2}{9}+ h^\frac{1}{3}
It's probably wrong, but that is all I can think of.
Any pointers would help.
You're just trying to get the derviative of x^{1/3}
You have the procedure written down correctly in the second line then you went way overboard after that.
\frac{d}{dx}x^n=nx^{n-1}
where n is a constant
Replace n with 1/3--that's all there is to it.
Is your question written correctly?
Fredrik
Oct20-04, 10:52 AM
I don't think he's trying to calculate the derivative. He's trying to prove that the rule works even when n is not an integer (specifically when n=1/3).
Jason, are you allowed to use what you know about how to take the deriviate of exponentials, logarithms and composite functions? If you are, I suggest that you use
x^{\frac{1}{3}}=e^{\frac{1}{3}\ln x}
JasonRox
Oct20-04, 12:08 PM
Actually know we can not do that.
This must be used doing first principles. I know how to find derivatives.
We must use h approaches 0 or x approaches a.
That is why I wrote (x+h)^1/3, which is from the h approaches 0 method.
Obviously we have (x+h)^1/3-x^1/3 for the numerator. That is why I broke it up in the first post, so I can get rid of the h in the numerator, but since I can't do that because (h^1/3)/h = 1/h^2/3, according to exponent laws. This is where I am stuck.
If I had an exam right now, I would have to do the x^n -> Nx^(n-1) method, but that is not practical nor what they are asking for.
Any tips are appreciated.
Note: We must assume we don't "know" the derivative of ln x in this case.
JasonRox
Oct20-04, 04:20 PM
So I guess I'm not the only who is stuck.
arildno
Oct20-04, 04:30 PM
I remember a thread here at PF recently:
Set:
a=(x+h)^{\frac{1}{3}},b=x^{\frac{1}{3}}
Then, for the derivative:
\frac{a-b}{h}=\frac{(a-b)(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})}{(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})h}=
\frac{a^{3}-b^{3}}{(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})h}=\frac{h}{(a^{2}+ab+b^{2} )h}=
\frac{1}{(a^{2}+ab+b^{2})}\to\frac{1}{3x^{\frac{2} {3}}} (h\to{0})
JasonRox
Oct20-04, 04:50 PM
You're my hero! :blushing:
Thanks!
Gave me a whole new perspective on how to do this.
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