How Does Current Direction Affect Magnetic Force on a Conductor?

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The discussion revolves around the magnetic force acting on a vertical wire carrying a downward current in a magnetic field that is oriented at an angle to the horizontal. Participants are exploring the relationship between current direction, magnetic field orientation, and the resulting magnetic force on the conductor.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the formula for magnetic force and the significance of the angle between the current and the magnetic field. There are attempts to clarify the correct angle to use in calculations and the implications of the given angle of the magnetic field.

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The conversation is active, with participants questioning the assumptions about angles and the application of the right-hand rule. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between the vectors involved, but no consensus on the final calculations has been reached.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of vector relationships in a three-dimensional coordinate system, with specific attention to the definitions of angles in relation to the axes. There is an emphasis on understanding the geometric setup of the problem.

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magnetic forces on a conductor

A straight, vertical wire carries a current of 1.13A downward in a region between the poles of a large superconducting electromagnet, where the magnetic field has a magnitude of 0.553T and is horizontal.

What is the magnitude of the magnetic force on a section of the wire with a length of 1.00cmthat is in this uniform magnetic field, if the magnetic field direction is 29.0degrees south of west?

i read the textbook and tried using F= current*length*magnetic field*sin(theta) and i got .00303 N.. is this correct or am i going about this all wrong?
 
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ACLerok said:
i read the textbook and tried using F= current*length*magnetic field*sin(theta) and i got .00303 N.. is this correct or am i going about this all wrong?
In that formula, theta is the angle between the current in the wire and the magnetic field. In this problem the wire is vertical (call it along the z-axis) and the magnetic field is horizontal (somewhere in the x-y plane). So what is the angle between them?
 
i just tried taking the cross product of I and B but that didnt work out right? how wold i find the angle between the magnetic field and the current?
 
The cross product would work fine if you used the correct angle between the vectors. Hint: the wire is vertical and the field is horizontal. :smile:
 
would that angle just be the one given then?
 
angle between vertical and horizontal = ?

ACLerok said:
would that angle just be the one given then?
If by that you mean "29.0 degrees", then no. That's the angle the field makes with west, not the angle it makes with the wire.

The way I'm picturing this coordinate system is: the wire is along the z-axis, north is along the y-axis, and east is along the x-axis. Specifying the angle that the field makes with west (the -x axis) doesn't change the fact that the field is horizontal and thus perpendicular to the wire.
 
help please!
 
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Anyone help this homework problem
 
Did you read my response? Do you know what perpendicular means?
 
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so that angle is 90 degrees? if so, what does the 29 have to do with anything?
 
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ACLerok said:
so that angle is 90 degrees?
Yes.
if so, what does the 29 have to do with anything?
You'd need that to find the direction of the magnetic force.
 
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Doc Al said:
Yes.
You'd need that to find the direction of the magnetic force.

i guess now I'm trying to find the angle the magnetic force will make relative to some axis, say north. time to use the right hand rule correct?
 
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Yes, use the right hand rule.
 
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Doc Al said:
Yes, use the right hand rule.

in determining the direction and the angle the magnetic force on the wire makes with the y-axis (north), i should be applying the right hand rule to the vectors of the current and magnetic field correct?
 
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That is correct.
 

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