Kinetic energy of electron in non-uniform B?

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The discussion revolves around the kinetic energy of an electron in non-uniform magnetic fields, exploring the relationship between magnetic fields, charged particles, and kinetic energy. Participants examine both theoretical and experimental aspects of how magnetic fields affect the motion and energy of electrons and bar magnets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is experimental evidence that the kinetic energy of an electron changes in a non-uniform magnetic field, similar to a bar magnet.
  • Another participant asserts that any charged particle reacts to a magnetic field due to its charge, not its magnetic moment, and emphasizes the role of electric charge in magnetic interactions.
  • A participant notes that while a static magnetic field does not do work on an electron, a non-uniform magnetic field could lead to changes in kinetic energy, drawing a parallel to the behavior of a bar magnet.
  • Some participants agree that an electron will accelerate in a magnetic field, but there is a discussion about whether its kinetic energy increases in the same manner as a bar magnet in a non-uniform field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that electrons will accelerate in magnetic fields, but there is no consensus on whether the kinetic energy of an electron increases in a non-uniform magnetic field as it does for a bar magnet. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of kinetic energy changes.

Contextual Notes

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms by which magnetic fields affect kinetic energy, and there are unresolved questions about the conditions under which these effects occur.

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The kinetic energy of a bar magnet changes in a non-uniform magnetic field so is there experimental evidence that this is true for the kinetic energy of an electron since it possesses an intrinsic magnetic moment?

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Any charged particle will react to a magnetic field because it is charged, not because it has a magnetic moment. In fact, the magnetic moment only exists because it is charged. The fact that you can apply a force on an electric charge is the reason we use magnets for things like plasma containment and fusion reactors.
 
Drakkith said:
Any charged particle will react to a magnetic field because it is charged, not because it has a magnetic moment. In fact, the magnetic moment only exists because it is charged. The fact that you can apply a force on an electric charge is the reason we use magnets for things like plasma containment and fusion reactors.

Yes, a static magnetic field will change the momentum of an electron and we're told also that it doesn't do work either so the electron's kinetic energy remains constant. On the other hand, a non-uniform magnetic field causes the centre of mass of a bar magnet to accelerate with the kinetic energy coming from the magnet. Does this mean that an electron will have a linear acceleration also?
 
Yep, the electron will accelerate.
 
Drakkith said:
Yep, the electron will accelerate.

I didn't express myself correctly. Yes it will accelerate, as all charged particles do in magnetic fields. Place a macroscopic magnetic dipole like a bar magnet in a uniform magnetic field and it will experience a torque, but no net force on its centre of mass. Put it in a non-uniform magnetic field and the centre of mass will accelerate with an increase in kinetic energy.

If an electron is put in a uniform magnetic field, it accelerates from the Lorentz force. Put it in a non-uniform magnetic field and does its kinetic energy increase like that of the bar magnet?
 

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