Solving Calculus Problems: A & B Positive Numbers, fPrime & fDoublePrime

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The discussion revolves around two calculus problems involving positive numbers A and B. The first problem asks participants to demonstrate that not both expressions a(1-b) and b(1-a) can exceed 1/4. The second problem seeks a function f that satisfies specific derivative conditions, including f'(-1) = 1/2, f'(0) = 0, and f''(x) > 0 for all x, or to prove that such a function cannot exist.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the equation a(1-b) = 1/4 can be rearranged to a = 1/(4-4b) and discusses the implications of plotting this on the ab plane.
  • Another participant notes that if f''(x) > 0 for all x, then f' is always increasing, indicating that the function is convex.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the graph of the function 'bends upwards' due to the positive second derivative, reinforcing the idea of convexity.
  • Further, a participant claims that showing the equations a = 1/(4-4b) and a = (4b-1)/4b only intersect once demonstrates that the conditions cannot be satisfied simultaneously.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying approaches to both problems, with some proposing methods to demonstrate the conditions of the first problem and others discussing the implications of the second problem's requirements. There is no consensus on the solutions or methods presented.

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Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical implications of the conditions set forth in the first problem, nor have they definitively proven the existence or non-existence of the function in the second problem. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of the functions involved.

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first problem : Let A and B be postitive numbers. SHow that not both of the numbers a(1-b) and b(1-a) can be greater than 1/4.

second problem : Find a function f such that fprime(-1) = 1/2,fprime(0) = 0
and f doubleprime (x) >0 for all x, or prove that sucha function cannot exist.

thanks in advance!
 
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a(1-b)=1/4

a=1/(4-4b)

plotting this on the ab plane gives the boundary of the regions where a(1-b)<1/4 and where a(1-b)>1/4. Starting with an (a,b) on the curve, adding a little to a will obviously give a(1-b)>1/4, and subtracting a little from a will give a(1-b)<1/4, so the region we want is above the curve. swapping a and b to get the second inequality is the same as reflecting this region over the line a=b, so to show these regions do not overlap, all you have to do is show the hyperbola does not cross the line a=b.

the second question is easier. if f''(x) is always positive, f'(x) is always increasing as you move left to right.
 
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For the second one.If f''(x)>0 for all x, then the graph of the function 'bends upwards', it is convex. That means f' is always increasing.
(I assumed f''(x)>0 for all x, implies f''(x) exists for anyl real number x).
 
thanks for the quick response guys!
 
so showing that a= 1/(4-4b) a= (4b-1)/4b gotten from a(1-b) =1/4, b(1-a)=1/4
only intercept once shows that there is no where that this is true
 

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