Help me prove this Trigonometry identity

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The discussion revolves around proving a trigonometric identity: tan²x - sin²x = tan²x sin²x. Participants explore various approaches and techniques for manipulating the equation, focusing on trigonometric identities and algebraic transformations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help proving the identity, expressing frustration with the problem.
  • Another suggests rewriting the terms in sine and cosine, providing a step-by-step transformation of the equation.
  • A participant questions a specific algebraic manipulation, seeking clarification on the steps involved.
  • Further contributions involve factoring and recognizing the Pythagorean identity as a potential simplification.
  • Some participants propose starting from the right-hand side of the equation, suggesting it may lead to an easier proof.
  • There is a discussion about the distribution of terms and the application of basic trigonometric identities.
  • One participant reflects on their understanding and expresses a need to revisit trigonometry concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the most effective approach to proving the identity. Multiple methods are discussed, and some participants express confusion or differing opinions on specific steps.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the importance of recognizing identities and factoring, but there are unresolved questions about specific algebraic manipulations and the implications of certain steps.

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Students studying trigonometry or those interested in mathematical proofs may find the discussion beneficial for understanding different approaches to proving identities.

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Someone pls help me prove this identity. I'm going nuts :confused:
[tex]tan^2x - sin^2x = tan^2x sin^2x[/tex]
 
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What have you tried so far? For example, what if you rewrite everything in terms of sine and cosine (often a good thing to do):

sin^2(x) / cos^2(x) - sin^2(x) = sin^2(x)/cos^2(x) * sin^2(x)
<=>
sin^2(x) / cos^2(x) - sin^2(x)cos^2(x)/cos^2(x) = sin^4(x)/cos^2(x)
<=>
(sin^2(x) - sin^2(x)cos^2(x)) / cos^2(x) = sin^4(x)/cos^2(x)

Any ideas now? Factoring, and the Pythagorean identity will come in handy.

*edit* And after doing this, a better proof (where you only have to work with one side) appeared to me. This is often the case with trigonometric identities - at first you have a horrible mess of trigonometric expressions and after expanding, you see a way to transform one side into the other. I won't spoil the surprise though ;)
 
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Thats what i tried/usually do but i just can't get it for this one. One question, I don't get one part,
sin^2(x) / cos^2(x) - sin^2(x)cos^2(x)/cos^2(x) = sin^4(x)/cos^2(x)
and so on.
 
I'm just writing it as one fraction.

a/b - c = a/b - cb/b = (a - cb)/b, for all a, b, c.
 
I see. But how does it help?
 
(sin^2(x) - sin^2(x)cos^2(x)) / cos^2(x) =
sin^2(x)(1 - cos^2(x)) / cos^2(x).

Recognize anything?
 
Oh right :rolleyes:
So I'll get [tex]\frac{sin^2x(1-cos^2x)}{cos^2x} = \frac{sin^2x(1-cos^2x)}{cos^2x}[/tex]Right?
So its proved. :smile:
 
I just worked it out, this one seems to be easier if you start with tan^2(x)*sin^2(x) instead of tan^2(x) – sin^2(x)
 
So if i start with [tex]{tan^2x} \cdot {sin^2x}[/tex] would do i do from here that would make it easier?
 
  • #10
Factor out [itex]\tan^2 x[/itex] on the left-hand-side.

[tex]\tan^2 x (1-\cos^2 x)=\tan^2 x\sin^2 x[/tex]
 
  • #11
footprints said:
Oh right :rolleyes:
So I'll get [tex]\frac{sin^2x(1-cos^2x)}{cos^2x} = \frac{sin^2x(1-cos^2x)}{cos^2x}[/tex]Right?
So its proved. :smile:

but when you write [tex]\frac{sin^2x(1-cos^2x)}{cos^2x} = \frac{sin^2x(1-cos^2x)}{cos^2x}[/tex]

you get Sin^2/Cos^2 x ( 1-cos^2)/Cos^2 so how does the second part form the sin^2x?? it would again land up forming Tan^2x ( because its sin^2/cos^2 )

thanks
 
  • #12
I don't understand what u mean. When u say second part, do u mean [tex]\frac{1 - cos^2x}{cos^2x}[/tex]? Or the right hand-side?
 
  • #13
i think that is what jai6638 meant, footprints

jai6638, you forgot that A*B / C = A/C * B and does not equal to A/C * B/C
 
  • #14
if you can get to:
[tex]\frac{sin^2x(1-cos^2x)}{cos^2x}[/tex]


Distribute the sin in, and then break the fraction apart over addition
 
  • #15
There's no reason to distribute, though. The basic identity that [itex]\sin^2x=1-cos^2x[/itex] can be applied to get:

[tex]\frac{\sin^2x*\sin^2x}{cos^2x}<br /> &= \tan^2x\sin^2x[/tex]
 
  • #16
ChanDdoi said:
i think that is what jai6638 meant, footprints

jai6638, you forgot that A*B / C = A/C * B and does not equal to A/C * B/C

lol... yeah that's what i was thinkin for some odd reason.. damn! thanks a lot ... need to start doing my trignometry again.. doing algebra II at my new school... sucks ass... my previous school was soo much better .. we did our trignometry in 9th grade ..

cheers
 

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