Pendulum force experienced at the top of the string?

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The discussion revolves around the forces experienced by a pendulum at different points in its swing, particularly focusing on the calculations of forces at the bottom and top of the string. The subject area includes concepts of dynamics and energy conservation in pendulum motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the relationship between the distance D and the length L of the pendulum string, questioning the correctness of the force equations provided by their teacher. They also explore the implications of maximum acceleration on the relationship between D and L. Other participants introduce geometric considerations and attempt to relate the forces experienced at different points in the pendulum's motion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the equations and relationships involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the geometric relationships, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches or calculations presented.

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Participants are working under the constraints of deriving relationships based on given equations and assumptions about maximum acceleration. There is uncertainty regarding the application of energy conservation principles and the interpretation of force equations at different points in the pendulum's swing.

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In a demo, a pendulum was used. (See my pic.) It showed that the object experiences 3 g's at the bottom of the swing, according to F = (mv^2)/L. (where L, length of string = r) A peg is located a distance D directly below the point of attachment of the cord.

O_____L________o
+----------------|
-+---------------|
--+--------------|D
---+-------------|----+
----+------------*peg--+
------+----------|----+
---------+----+-O--+
+ = path of circular motion
O = object


First off, for a pendulum that starts at rest at a 90 degree angle to the vertical, energy conservation requires the speed to be consistent, so (mv^2)/2 = mgL or v^2 = 2gL. Now the force experienced at the bottom of the string is F = mg + (mv^2)/L, and after plugging in v^2 = 2gL, you get 3 mg (3 g).

Now my teacher gave us mg + T = (mv^2)/L. Is this for the force experienced at the top of the string? I don't understand how this is correct or what to do with it.

We are supposed to derive the relationship between D and L, where D ends up as (3/5)L. I read somewhere that the max. acceleration an object can endure is a = 5g. How can this be proven and how can I tie in this fact so the g's cancel out and I am left with D = (3/5)L?

Please help me. Thanks.
 
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Soaring Crane

Physics is not my field, but I'll give this a shot.
If you draw a right-angle triangle, using the change in height (D) as one side, and the length L where it is horizontal to D as the Hypotenuse, then you are looking for x, which is the other side. So, L^2= D^2 + x^2
Now, you have 3g=v^2/2, so g=v^2 (3/2), so L= 3/2
You have D= 3/5L, so D= 9/10
L^2 = D^2 + x^2
1.5^2= .9^2 + x^2
2.25 - .81 = x^2
x^2 = 1.44
x=.12

I hope this is true, and I hope it helps!

P
 
Soaring Crane - my typo

My typo - sorry.
x is not .12
x is 1.2

Greetings,
P
 
Why do you solve for x?

Why is 3g = (v^2)/2? Wouldn't g then = (v^2)/6?
 
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