Heat Kinetic Energy: Definition & Explanation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of heat and its relationship to kinetic energy, exploring definitions, interpretations, and the transfer of energy in thermodynamic contexts. Participants examine whether heat can be classified as kinetic energy or if it is a byproduct of kinetic energy, particularly in relation to molecular motion and electromagnetic radiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that heat is akin to kinetic energy, while others suggest it is a byproduct of kinetic energy, similar to light produced by electricity.
  • One participant asserts that temperature is a measure of kinetic energy, while heat represents the transfer of molecular kinetic energy.
  • Another viewpoint describes heat as disorganized energy, questioning its classification as kinetic energy.
  • A participant raises a question about the relationship between infrared radiation and heat, suggesting that infrared photons may contribute to heat transfer at the atomic level.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the interchangeability of infrared radiation and heat, with a request for clarification on this perceived paradox.
  • One participant notes that heat is a well-defined term in thermodynamics, which does not specifically relate to infrared radiation, indicating a distinction between physical and sensory interpretations of heat.
  • Discussion includes the complexity of thermal energy at the molecular level, highlighting that kinetic energy is a useful concept for macroscopic objects but less so for individual particles, which have multiple degrees of freedom contributing to thermal energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the classification of heat and its relationship to kinetic energy, with no consensus reached on these definitions or interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in understanding the relationship between heat, kinetic energy, and infrared radiation, with some statements depending on specific definitions and interpretations that remain unresolved.

theriddler876
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Is heat kinetic energy, or is it a byproduct of kinetic energy, very much like light is a byproduct of electricity running through a bulb?, so heat would be the byproduct of running kinetic engergy across a surface with friction.
 
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Actually temperature is a measure of kinetic energy. Heat is a little trickery to get a handle on. It can be seen as the transfer of that molecular kinetic energy from one location to another.
 
Heat is disorganized energy.
 
when something is giving off heat it's givin off infrared right, well is it possible that one photon of the right frequency excites an atom to a given orbital and then goes back to ground state, and thus giving off a photon of the same frequency, in this case in the infrared range, or heat, and that passes it on to the next atom and such, which repeats the motion up until it shoots it off into the outside, would that be classified as a transfer of heat, and how do you go from heat of friction, and apply it to the infrared part of the spectrum?
 
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krab said:
Heat is disorganized energy.

but is it kinetic engergy then?
 
"...when something is giving off heat it's givin off infrared..."

This is something I've never quite understood.

IR is a band of electromagnetic frequency.
Heat is the kinetic energy of atoms. ANY energy.
Why are IR and heat often interchanged?

What? atoms *only* vibrate in a narrow range of frequencies and move at a narrow range of speeds equivalent to the IR band??

Can someone explain the paradox?
 
Heat is a very well defined physical term in themodynamics which has nothing specific to say about infrared.

Our body and brain, associate a sensation we call heat with the ifrared band of radiation. This meaning of heat is only "sort of" related to the physical meaning of the word.
 
DaveC426913 said:
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What? atoms *only* vibrate in a narrow range of frequencies and move at a narrow range of speeds equivalent to the IR band??

Can someone explain the paradox?

well water molecules vibrate at the same frequency as microwaves, which is why microwaves heat your food. from the inside out.

now electrons when excited from their ground state absorb only a certain frequency, and when going back down, they give off that frequency, and that can be IR or ultra violet, depending of weather it jups from what orbital to what orbital
 
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theriddler876 said:
but is it kinetic engergy then?
Kinetic energy is a useful concept for macroscopic objects; less useful for individual particles.

For example, an oxygen molecule has 6 degrees of freedom: 3 translational, 2 rotational, 1 vibrational. Each of these can contain some of the thermal energy. The first 3 you would call "kinetic". Maybe the rotational ones too. The vibrational one is from a classical (non-QM) point of view trading between kinetic and potential energy at a rate of billions of cycles per second. It's not useful to talk about KE here; more useful to just consider that summed over a macroscopic number (10^23), the vibrational mode contains x amount of the thermal energy.
 

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