Understanding Partial Order Relations and Their Definition on X={a,b,c,d,f}

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This discussion focuses on the definition and properties of partial order relations, specifically on the set X={a,b,c,d,f}. The user presents a relation R={(a,b), (a,c), (b,d), (c,d), (d,f), (d,e)} and questions its reflexivity, noting that elements like (a,a) are missing. The conversation clarifies that while the relation appears non-reflexive, it is implicitly reflexive due to suppressed loops in the digraph. Additionally, the concept of comparability is explained through directed paths in the graph, emphasizing the use of transitivity to establish relationships between elements.

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For some reason I am having a hard time dealing with partial order relations. The definition is what is killing me here. I have a digraph of a partial order relation and yet it does not appear to agree with the definition of partial order. I wish I could draw a picture of the digraph but since that would not work very well I will just do my best to explain it and why I think it is not a partial order.

R is a relation on X={a,b,c,d,f}

Starting from the bottom I have

vertex a which is related to vertex b and vertex c

Then I have vertex b related to vertex d and c related to vertex d

then I have vertex d related to vertex d and vertex f

So correct me if I am wrong but if I were to write out R as a set of ordered pairs I would have

R={(a,b), (a,c), (b,d), (c,d), (d,f), (d,e)}

If that is correct then how can this be a partial order when the definition of partial order says a relation is partial order iff R is reflexive? That relation is not reflexive since (a,a) is not an element of R (the same is true for b,c,d,e,f).

Next problem I have is how to tell if one element is comparable to another. If someone could give me a good intuitive idea of how to tell if two elements of R is comparable I would greatly appericate it.

Regards
 
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it is implicit in the graph that there is a suppressed loop from each point to itself, and that the relation is reflexive, that is a<=a (usually a<a is false...)

an element is comparable (less than) to another if there is a (directed) path in the graph leading from the smaller to the larger. you are just using transitivity.

a<b, and b<d so a<d

a<c and c<d so a<d, good

a<d and d<f so a<f

a<d and d<e so a<e

now do it for b
 
matt grime said:
it is implicit in the graph that there is a suppressed loop from each point to itself, and that the relation is reflexive, that is a<=a (usually a<a is false...)

an element is comparable (less than) to another if there is a (directed) path in the graph leading from the smaller to the larger. you are just using transitivity.

a<b, and b<d so a<d

a<c and c<d so a<d, good

a<d and d<f so a<f

a<d and d<e so a<e

now do it for b


Well now that certainly makes things much easier to deal with.

b<d and d<f so b<f

b<d and d<e so b<e

I appreciate your help matt grime.

Regards
 
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