Walter Cronkite rips Bush's record

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The discussion revolves around Walter Cronkite's critical remarks regarding the Bush administration, particularly in relation to its handling of the economy and the Iraq War. Participants express varying opinions on the relevance and implications of Cronkite's statements, as well as broader political sentiments leading up to an election.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight Cronkite's historical perspective and credibility as a journalist, suggesting that his views on contemporary politics are valuable.
  • Others argue that the thread is inflammatory and question the relevance of a celebrity's opinion, labeling it as trolling.
  • A participant mentions a prediction by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. regarding the election outcome, indicating a belief in a potential landslide victory for Kerry.
  • There are claims about the perception of Cronkite as a "liberal" and discussions about the implications of labeling in political discourse.
  • Some participants reflect on the nature of opinions in politics, suggesting that opinions can be subjective and questioning the validity of dismissing others' views based on their opinion status.
  • One participant presents a philosophical view on the nature of leadership and public perception, contemplating the complexities of political representation and voter behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement, with some supporting Cronkite's views while others dismiss them as irrelevant. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing perspectives on the significance of opinions in political contexts.

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There are underlying assumptions about the political landscape and the role of media figures that are not explicitly stated. The discussion reflects a range of emotional responses and interpretations of political commentary.

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What America needs right now, legendary TV anchor Walter Cronkite said Thursday, is a new election -- and, he warned a laughing press conference full of reporters, he wasn't kidding.

''That's not entirely a joke,'' Cronkite said solemnly, arguing that the Bush administration has spent itself into ruin while embroiling the country in a war that will eventually make public revulsion to the war in Vietnam look ``like peanuts.''

''I think you journalists today have a great four years ahead of you,'' Cronkite observed dryly. ``It's going to be a great story to cover.''


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You're just trying to be as inflammatory as you can tonight aren't you? Well its working, you've really worked me up into an ire.

Honestly is there a point to this thread beyond the obvious attempt to create fighting, over one celebrity's opinion?

I very much think this qualifies as trolling.
 
And a day or two before the election, I saw Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. predict that not only would Kerry win, but that it would be a landslide.
 
It's refreshing to see established and informed journalists, such as Mr. Cronkite, give their perpective on these times. He has seen a lot of history of politics these past 50 years...


franznietzsche said:
You're just trying to be as inflammatory as you can tonight aren't you? Well its working, you've really worked me up into an ire.

Honestly is there a point to this thread beyond the obvious attempt to create fighting, over one celebrity's opinion?

I very much think this qualifies as trolling.

your reply doesn't address Mr. Cronkite's statement...if you don't like what has been said, perhaps you need to comment on the topic at hand rather then whine about how easily you get fired up...
 
Kerrie said:
It's refreshing to see established and informed journalists, such as Mr. Cronkite, give their perpective on these times. He has seen a lot of history of politics these past 50 years...




your reply doesn't address Mr. Cronkite's statement...if you don't like what has been said, perhaps you need to comment on the topic at hand rather then whine about how easily you get fired up...

Actually i was commenting on the trend of tsu's thread topicsall night. I don't consider cronkite's opinion relevant, simply because it is an opinion.
 
Well, then your opinion that Cronkite's opinion is irrelevant because its an opinion makes your opinion of that opinion irrelevant because its an opinion;
so SHUT IT!
 
Smurf said:
Well, then your opinion that Cronkite's opinion is irrelevant because its an opinion makes your opinion of that opinion irrelevant because its an opinion;
so SHUT IT!


PRECISELY!

At least one person gets it.
 
franznietzsche said:
PRECISELY!

At least one person gets it.

wow, i think smurf was addressing his last comment to you about shutting it...so who really gets it?

politics have a lot to do with opinions really...
 
I like how a legend in the News business is suddenly an untrustworthy liberal. This is typical of the right-wing: Sie sind für uns oder gegen uns!
 
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The magic of labels in the masses.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
I like how a legend in the News business is suddenly an untrustworthy liberal.
Isn't that a tautology?
 
  • #12
I think that prerequisite for being a right-winger is having a paranoid conspiracy complex.
 
  • #13
I think the prequisite for talking about the opposite wing of the spectrum you place yourself in is to use the 'conspiracy' prefix for something nasty.
 
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I think that from the extreme left, the center looks like the right.
 
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russ_watters said:
I think that from the extreme left, the center looks like the right.
And you, by definition, are the center.~^
 
  • #16
How big would your head have to be for you to be able to make it seem like the right thing to do to use great social skills to get your son to have a 60/40 chance of being president out of 300 million people? Or how big would your head have to be to accept your father's social skill to give you 60/40 odds of being president out of 300 million?
I still think they are good presidents for the times I don't have anything personally against them, no one does bad willingly...maybe morals don't matter so much, maybe it's best just to have someone in office most like the common people, maybe people just vote for whoever is most like themselves to the point that even bad people can look like good people to a bad person, or they don't vote because it's such a rigged system these days that they could do more justice to helping the country by not wasting the paper. Cronkite kicks ass though.
 

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