Calculating Magnetic Field for Maximum Electron Deflection Angle

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The problem involves determining the magnetic field required to achieve a deflection angle of 90 degrees for an electron. The variables in the problem are initially treated symbolically, with relevant equations from electromagnetism provided.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the cross product of velocity and magnetic field but expresses difficulty in connecting it to other equations. Some participants question the coordinate system used in the figure and the confinement of the magnetic field within a specified radius.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying the coordinate system and the assumptions regarding the magnetic field. Some guidance has been offered regarding focusing on magnitudes rather than components of the cross product.

Contextual Notes

There is a note about the potential confusion regarding the coordinate system being right-handed or left-handed. Additionally, the original poster acknowledges a mistake in variable notation and discusses the need to consider both relativistic and classical momentum in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Determine the required magnetic field to give an electron deflection angle of θ=90deg. The other variables (such as Rd, Re, and the electron energy in keV) are currently dummy variables such that this problem will initially be solved symbolically.

Homework Equations


(1) F=q(v x B)
(2) F = qvbsinθ
(3) QBR = p

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the following figure (apologies for poor paint skills), I've taken the cross product of (v x B), recognizing that vx = 0, By = Bz = 0. This gives me that v x B = (vzBx)y - (vyBx)z where y and z are unit vectors.

Edit: Apologies; I seem to be awful at remembering to attach photos, files in e-mail, etc. Here's the figure: http://i.imgur.com/V5TN9.png

I am having trouble fitting the cross product to another equation to yield any kind of results. Let me know if I should do more work (I've been reading through Griffith's Intro to Electrodynamics for about two hours now trying to make any headway).
 
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The figure shows x as + into page. That is not a right-handed coordinate system. Either the B field is directed into the page or into the +x direction.

If you intended a left-hand system we would like to know about it. It's very rare, although my high school textbook of the '50's actually used it.


Is the B field understood to be confined to within the circle of radius RB?
 
rude man said:
The figure shows x as + into page. That is not a right-handed coordinate system. Either the B field is directed into the page or into the +x direction.
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The one I saw in the figure is right handed.

(+)x is into the page, y is up, z is to the right. --- That's RIGHT handed. Sitting in the 1st octant looking towards the origin, x to y to z is counter-clock-wise.
 
rude man said:
Is the B field understood to be confined to within the circle of radius RB?

Yes, B is to be confined within the circle radius RB (accidentally noted RB as Rd in the description; apologies). As I understand it, we have to take into account the relativistic and classical momentum to find the more realistic values of B (assuming all electrons are uniform, originating from the same source traveling in the same direction). I also may be wrong with taking the cross product of the force, and I may just need (2) as well as the following equations:

(4) pv/r = F
(5) E^2 = m^2 * c^4 + p^2 * c^2.
 
I beg everyone's pardon, it is right-handed. How embarrassing for me.
 
Consider this: since you've already got the directions of all relevant quantities specified in the figure, you can work with equations that only involve magnitudes. So you don't need to calculate out the components of the cross product.
 

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