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Uniform motion:
dv/dt = 0
ds/dt = v (a constant)
integral(dx) = v. integral(dt) => x = x(subsript 0) +vt ???
Uniform accelerated motion: dv/dt = constant
Equations of motion are:
dv/dt = a => v = v(subscript 0) + a.t ???
dx/dt = v => x = x(subscript 0) + v(subscript 0).t + 1/2.a.t^2 ???
v.dv/dt = a => v^2 = v(subscript 0)^2 + 2.a.(x-x(subcript 0)) ???
I don't understand the lines with question marks next to them.
matt grime
Nov23-04, 10:05 AM
They've just got an integral equation, from a differential equation, and solved it, albeit with the standard abuse of notation.
I still don't understand.
How do you get from ds/dt = v (a constant) to integral(dx) = v. integral(dt) to x = x(subsript 0) +vt?
Can you explain it step by step?
matt grime
Nov23-04, 10:30 AM
Have you not done basic differential equations (linear first order)? Sorry, I'm not the best person to spoon feed answers to anyone, least of all on a subject like this. Good luck finding yourself a teacher, but it ain't going to be me.
^ I've done normal differentiation and partial differentiation. Is that what you mean?
ds/dt = v,
=> dx = vdt,
=> integral between x and x(subscript 0) of dx =v. integral of dt between x and x(subscript 0)
=> x = x(subscript 0) + vt
Is this correct?
matt grime
Nov23-04, 10:37 AM
No, I mean differential equations. Linear first order. Look it up on the web, get an A-level text book out of the library, if you're not from the UK, then I don't know what level you meet it at or what you'd call it - calc 101 perhaps. Latexing up notes for you is more effort than it merits, sorry, but _you_ should put the effort in on this one.
matt grime
Nov23-04, 10:38 AM
And no that last post of yours isn't correct.
does the integral of dx = x?
matt grime
Nov23-04, 10:43 AM
Seeing as you're making the effort:
the *indefinite* integral of 1 dx (with respect to x) is x+k where k is a constant.
I'm a bit confused. Here's our syllabus:
FUNCTIONS OF ONE REAL VARIABLE (five lectures)
Definition, domain, range; odd, even, periodic; polynomials,
factorisation; rational functions, partial fractions; exponential and
logarithmic functions; circular and hyperbolic functions; inverse function;
limits and continuity; composite functions.
DIFFERENTIATION (six lectures)
Definition, chain rule, implicit, parametric, product rule; stationary
values, points of inflection, curve sketching; Maclaurin and Taylor
expansions, polynomial approximation; l’Hopital’s rule.
FUNCTIONS OF TWO REAL VARIABLES (three lectures)
Definition, partial differentiation, total derivative.
COMPLEX NUMBERS (three lectures)
Definition, conjugate, representation; roots of complex numbers, de
Moivre’s theorem.
How do they expect us to understand this stuff when we haven't even done differential equations?
We don't do differential equations until the next symester. I'll be back tomorrow to check this thread (I have to go home now).
matt grime
Nov23-04, 10:44 AM
differential equations come *after* differentiation.
arildno
Nov23-04, 11:04 AM
Okay, I'll do a bit of spoon-feeding.
1)Suppose the velocity of an object is constant, that is:
\frac{dx}{dt}=v
Here, v is a constant, wheras the function x(t) is the position of the object as a function of time.
2. If we integrate both sides of an equality in the same way, we still have an equality:
\int_{0}^{T}\frac{dx}{dt}dt=\int_{0}^{T}vdt
Here, we perform the integration over the interval 0\leq{t}\leq{T}
where T is some arbitrarily chosen instant.
3. Left-hand side:
\int_{0}^{T}\frac{dx}{dt}dt=x(T)-x(0)
(Why is this true?)
4. Right-hand side:
\int_{0}^{T}vdt=vT-v*0=vT
(Why is this true?)
5. Equating the results from 3. and 4., we gain:
x(T)-x(0)=vT
or, since T is arbitrary, we might as well call it "t":
x(t)=x(0)+vt
The last step could also have been reached by introducing a dummy variable \tau and performed the integration:
\int_{0}^{t}\frac{dx}{d\tau}d\tau=\int_{0}^{t}vd\t au
Thank you my friend. I get it now.
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