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ElectroPhysics
Nov29-04, 02:47 AM
I found it interesting to read, and to find out the
capabilities of a human mind.

Hi
I cdnuolt blveiee taht yuo cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was
rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a
rscheearch at
Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a
wrod
are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in
the
rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it
wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter
by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas
thought slpeling was ipmorantt!
Rdegras,

Smurf
Nov29-04, 02:56 AM
you still have to know which letters are needed in the word, it's just the order (except first and last) that can be mixed.

petrty asewmo huh?

Mk
Nov29-04, 04:18 AM
Hi
I cdnuolt blveiee taht yuo cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was
rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a
rscheearch at
Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a
wrod
are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in
the
rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it
wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter
by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas
thought slpeling was ipmorantt!
Rdegras,

Actually I thought you either ment by the title:
Psaele read
...read being past tense, and Psaele a Greek philosopher or another member on PF.
OR
Psaele ręd
raed being a unicode letter that you couldn't find. "ę" not "ae"

:biggrin:

Smurf
Nov29-04, 04:20 AM
You definitly belong on this board.

Mk
Nov29-04, 05:13 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Yep, well I've been here a little bit

honestrosewater
Nov29-04, 06:56 AM
I think jumble writers have known this for decades and just never wanted to tell anyone :devil:

Moonbear
Nov29-04, 09:46 AM
I found it interesting to read, and to find out the
capabilities of a human mind.

Hi
I cdnuolt blveiee taht yuo cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was
rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to a
rscheearch at
Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a
wrod
are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in
the
rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it
wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter
by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas
thought slpeling was ipmorantt!
Rdegras,

Do you think this works with people who have a more limited spelling/vocabulary ability? If you don't know the word or how to spell well, I would think it might be harder to quickly unjumble the letters in your mind. Also, how would this work in a list of unrelated words? I.e., if there were no hints from sentence structure to guess at the word.

tribdog
Nov29-04, 10:15 AM
I posted this same letter here a while ago and learned that someone else had posted it before me.

tribdog
Nov29-04, 10:17 AM
I found it interesting to read, and to find out the
capabilities of a human mind.

Hi
... I awlyas
thought slpeling was ipmorantt!
Rdegras,
I have no clue what Rdegras is supposed to be.

Smurf
Nov29-04, 10:26 AM
Rdegras, = Regards,

And it's my understanding you don't 'unjumble' words, you understand them as a whole already so it has no effect on people with limited vocabulary - now dislexia, that's an interesting one.

tribdog
Nov29-04, 10:28 AM
yeah, I figured it out after I wrote my post. I don't use regards when I end a letter so I guess I wasn't expecting to see it. That means something to me about context and jumbled words.

honestrosewater
Nov29-04, 11:28 AM
Maybe your brain was deciding whether it was "regards" or "redrags" :bugeye:

mattmns
Nov29-04, 12:00 PM
Hmm at first, like someone already said, I thought you were asking someone named "Psaele" to read this post. I just now noticed, after reading the whole thread, that you spelled the entire topic wrong (mroe awarkd tahn worng I gseus)

matthyaouw
Nov29-04, 12:32 PM
Aaaabdeehiiiiilmnnnrsssstttm
Antidisestablishmentarianism

If you got that without thinking about it, I'll consider taking the above passage for mis-spelled truth, otherwise I'm going to have to insist there is a minimum amount of coherency that must remain for a word to be made sense of.

franznietzsche
Nov29-04, 04:50 PM
It works but not perfectly, some words, that i misinterpreted:

petrty = pertty (purdy), just a slang misspelling of pretty.

Rdegras = redegrass (hell if i know what that is supposed to be, but thats what i read it as)


as for the random word list try it out:

cotansnintople
ceehse
hngury
terid
popele
chtaloic
bbile
i lvoe furit ckae
plasee gvie me smeohtnig
emtoonial
antiesdisblathisnemnairatism (take that cambridge!!)

honestrosewater
Nov29-04, 05:53 PM
aequeosalinocalcalinoceraceoaluminosocupreovitriol ic

okay, can anyone figure this one out? (that space isn't supposed to be there but won't go away)

Moonbear
Nov29-04, 06:04 PM
Out of context, I definitely needed to actually unscramble letters in my mind.

When tribdog asked about rdegras, I had no idea until I looked at the letter again.

And in the above list, most are short enough words, and I've done enough newspaper jumble puzzles to get them quickly, but I'm still working on this one, "chtaloic."

check
Nov29-04, 06:07 PM
"chtaloic."

It's catholic <--highlight

Moonbear
Nov29-04, 06:32 PM
Oh. :blushing: That explains why it was such an unfamiliar word for me. :devil: :biggrin:

franznietzsche
Nov29-04, 10:55 PM
Oh. :blushing: That explains why it was such an unfamiliar word for me. :devil: :biggrin:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

But did you get the last one?

Moonbear
Nov29-04, 11:19 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

But did you get the last one?

Yeah, but how many words could be that long? And it's not totally scrambled, but only scrambled in clusters.

In case anyone doesn't know, it's in white text, highlight to see it:
antidisestablishmentarianism I sure hope I spelled that right.

But, according to the first article, you can put the letters in any order, as long as you keep the first and last in the right place. So, would you get it if the word was displayed this way: AAAABDEEHIIIIILMNNNRSSSSTTTM?

I think it relies on people not completely scrambling the letters entirely randomly, but in somewhat less random, more predictable clusters.

franznietzsche
Nov29-04, 11:25 PM
Yeah, but how many words could be that long? And it's not totally scrambled, but only scrambled in clusters.

In case anyone doesn't know, it's in white text, highlight to see it:
antidisestablishmentarianism I sure hope I spelled that right.

But, according to the first article, you can put the letters in any order, as long as you keep the first and last in the right place. So, would you get it if the word was displayed this way: AAAABDEEHIIIIILMNNNRSSSSTTTM?

I think it relies on people not completely scrambling the letters entirely randomly, but in somewhat less random, more predictable clusters.

like: terid

What did you read it as? tired, or tried?

Obviously problems arise with words that are anagrams of other words.

Smurf
Nov30-04, 01:05 AM
I think that once the word becomes large enough that you can't read it all at once the trick fails. I'd say that's around 8 characters at the most - for the normal person.

Mk
Nov30-04, 01:54 AM
like: terid

What did you read it as? tired, or tried?

Obviously problems arise with words that are anagrams of other words.

Heh, I read it as tetrid, then when I re-read it before I was going to post, I read tetrid again, and was like: Ohh, someone else noticed it too. And the

"ANTIDISESTABLISHMENTARIANISM"

Mk
Nov30-04, 01:55 AM
And I found out tetrid, previously known as not a real word to me is actually a drug you give to pets, fish and birds I think.

franznietzsche
Nov30-04, 01:55 AM
I think that once the word becomes large enough that you can't read it all at once the trick fails. I'd say that's around 8 characters at the most - for the normal person.

jenapase or inurdoepoan?

Smurf
Nov30-04, 02:07 AM
Japanese I got right away.... and the second one is over 8 letters long lol, I give up, what is it?

mattmns
Nov30-04, 02:13 AM
Indoeuropean? I have never heard of that, but it looks to make the most sense

Smurf
Nov30-04, 02:30 AM
that's the first thing that came to mine, but it's got one too many e's, or did franz just forget an e?

franznietzsche
Nov30-04, 03:41 AM
oops forgot an e. And yeah Indo-european was it, just decided to leave out the hyphen for sake of difficulty.


qiruamge or hetawpcelkatrd ?

franznietzsche
Nov30-04, 03:46 AM
aequeos alinocalcalinoceraceoa luminosocu preovitriolic

okay, can anyone figure this one out? (that space isn't supposed to be there but won't go away)

It is a chemical of some sort...

aqueous saline calci -somethin alumin-something-vitriolic?

can't figure it all out exactly, but thats at least in part because i wouldn't recognize the name of the chemical normally, so...

aqueous -somthing - luminous - something - vitriolic?

Will keep sturggling...

matthyaouw
Nov30-04, 04:00 AM
But, according to the first article, you can put the letters in any order, as long as you keep the first and last in the right place. So, would you get it if the word was displayed this way: AAAABDEEHIIIIILMNNNRSSSSTTTM?

I think it relies on people not completely scrambling the letters entirely randomly, but in somewhat less random, more predictable clusters.

My point exactly. Let's test this. Below is the same word several times. Scan each line once, and tell me which you can and can't read.

Ibceeehiiiilmnnoprsts.

Irimbnchesinoeipliets

Icehmnoprbeieiiilnsts

Icmnoeehprbiilnseiits

Icnoemprehnsbiilieits

Icnmopehrensbiiilteis

Icnpmohersneibitileis

Inocpmerehsnbilitieis

answer in white: incomprehensibilities

tribdog
Nov30-04, 08:27 AM
LOLOL! the above post was edited at 402am, reason? Spelling!

I could read the 5th one, 6th and 8th.

Moonbear
Nov30-04, 09:52 AM
LOLOL! the above post was edited at 402am, reason? Spelling!

:rofl:

I could read the 5th one, 6th and 8th.

Hmm...there might be something to this. Those were the same ones I got. Well, it was hard to tell on 6 and 7, because I knew the word by 5, so it was harder to ignore that.

Smurf
Nov30-04, 10:11 AM
oops forgot an e. And yeah Indo-european was it, just decided to leave out the hyphen for sake of difficulty.


qiruamge or hetawpcelkatrd ?
quagmire - easy... hetawpcelkatrd is just too long...

edit: I can't believe we're accually trying to figure this out! coughgeekscough

Gonzolo
Nov30-04, 10:24 AM
Hewlett-Packard. I think the words have to be quite familiar to be readable (the computer I'm using now is that brand).

franznietzsche
Nov30-04, 02:44 PM
Hewlett-Packard. I think the words have to be quite familiar to be readable (the computer I'm using now is that brand).

Hence why smurf got quagmire so easily.

Yeah that was intentional.Sorry, couldn't resist.


thonemyamdric or hyddnomyaric?

tribdog
Nov30-04, 07:31 PM
thonemyamdric or hyddnomyaric?

that's my hammer, dick
and
how's your mom dude?

Smurf
Nov30-04, 07:35 PM
Hence why smurf got quagmire so easily.

Yeah that was intentional.Sorry, couldn't resist.


thonemyamdric or hyddnomyaric?

I swear something's going on, I always get the first one instantaneously but the second one is a stumper.
I'll color them so others can enjoy
Thermodynamic

franznietzsche
Nov30-04, 07:39 PM
that's my hammer, dick
and
how's your mom dude?


I know how I sleep at night, but how do you manage it?

tribdog
Nov30-04, 07:40 PM
suprisingly well, actually.

franznietzsche
Nov30-04, 07:41 PM
good for you, it takes me a brick and a pillow.