What do you all think about this (US Aid to nations that harbor terrorists)

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The discussion revolves around the topic of U.S. aid to nations that harbor terrorists, with a particular focus on the implications of such aid in the context of countries like North Korea. Participants explore the ethical considerations of providing aid to populations suffering under oppressive regimes, the role of intermediaries in aid distribution, and the potential consequences of such aid on both the governments and the citizens.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses surprise at the U.S. government providing aid to certain countries, suggesting that no aid should be given at all.
  • Another participant argues that aid is acceptable as long as it does not go through oppressive governments or certain institutions, implying a preference for direct aid to the populace.
  • A participant raises concerns about aid to North Korea, noting that while it may save lives, it could also support a regime responsible for oppression and starvation.
  • There is a challenge regarding the notion of aiding "bad guys," with some participants emphasizing that the citizens suffering from starvation should not be categorized as such.
  • A clarification is made that the term "bad guys" was intended to refer specifically to the North Korean government, not its citizens.
  • Another participant reiterates that the intention behind aid should be to assist the populace rather than support the government in power.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of U.S. aid to nations with oppressive governments. While some agree that aid should be directed to help citizens, others question the effectiveness and morality of such aid when it may inadvertently support those governments.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the ethical implications of aid distribution or the effectiveness of filtering mechanisms, leaving open questions about the impact of aid on both the governments and the populations in question.

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I am doing a research paper for english about the war in Iraq, and I found this little interesting thing on the house.gov website

http://www.house.gov/burton/RSC/USAidTerroristNs1.PDF

I did not know the government gave money to these countries. I guess the only good thing is the 0 marks that are proposed for the following year in some of the countries. Still I think we should be giving them nothing :-p
 
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I don't have a problem with the aid if it is not filtered through the despotic governments, French banks and the UN.
 
I'm a little torn regarding our aid to N Korea: there is an enormous starvation rate there, but that starvation is a direct result of the government's oppression. Give Il another 5 years and he'll be a better Stalin than Stalin was (if you go by percentages, he's already far surpassed Stalin). Giving aid to N. Korea probably saves a few lives in the short term, but it probably also helps perpetuate the government that is killing all those people.
 
GENIERE said:
I don't have a problem with the aid if it is not filtered through the despotic governments, French banks and the UN.
So... aiding the "bad guys" is fine, but if the French have anything to do with it, it suddenly becomes wrong?
 
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Smurf said:
So... aiding the bad guys is fine, but if the French have anything to do with it, it suddenly becomes wrong?

Starving people aren't bad guys. He said he didn't want it filtered through the governments because it is the governments that are bad.
 
shoulda put bad guys in quotes, I was referring to North Korea and such.
 
His point was that as long as the aid is being used to help the populace, and not pad the government coffers, he's fine with it. Most North Koreans are not "bad guys," it's just that their dictator is.
 

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