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Bahram_phd
Jan28-12, 10:35 AM
Hi,
Why R mod 2pi is a Compact Manifold?
Isn't this like a real line which is not compact?
How should we prove it using a finite sub-cover for this manifold?
bah

morphism
Jan28-12, 11:03 AM
R mod 2pi doesn't look like the real line; it looks like the interval [0,2pi] except the end points are identified. (So it's a circle...)

mathwonk
Jan28-12, 11:39 AM
consider the map from R to the circle defined by t-->(cos(t), sin(t)).

lavinia
Jan28-12, 12:46 PM
Hi,
Why R mod 2pi is a Compact Manifold?
Isn't this like a real line which is not compact?
How should we prove it using a finite sub-cover for this manifold?
bah

What is the topology that you want?
If it is R with the topology of a line modulo the discrete group of integer multiples of 2pi, then use the definition of open set in the quotient topology to show that every open cover has a finite subcover. You need to know that a closed interval is compact.

Bacle2
Jan28-12, 02:03 PM
What is the topology that you want?
If it is R with the topology of a line modulo the discrete group of integer multiples of 2pi, then use the definition of open set in the quotient topology to show that every open cover has a finite subcover. You need to know that a closed interval is compact.

Isn't the quotient topology assumed when talking about a quotient?

It seems like the open sets here would be the sets (a,b); 0<a,b<2∏ , which lift to

the open sets U(aħ2k∏, bħ 2k∏ ); for k integer, in ℝ

Then, since compactness is hereditary, and this topology is smaller than the subspace topology in [0,2∏],

(which is a compact space), then the quotient is compact.

EDIT:
Correction: the quotient topology agrees with the subspace topology of S^1 in R^2. By, e.g., mathwonk's map f, which descends to

a homeo f^ between R/~ and S^1, subspace (since the map is constant in R/~) , and which can be shown to be continuous and onto.

Then, by homeo., R/~ is also compact. If you want an argument by subcovers, do the argument in S^1, and pull back to R/~ by the homeo f^

Bacle2
Jan28-12, 02:15 PM
Actually, to show the manifold part, there are results that the quotients of manifolds by some special types of group actions are themselves manifolds--you can, e.g., show that projective space is a manifold by using this result/theorem.

Bahram_phd
Jan28-12, 07:51 PM
Thanks guys,
It helped me a lot. I did some studies on quotient topology and now I have a better understanding of the problem.