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S_David
Feb2-12, 05:51 PM
Hello,

I am reading a paper, and the author claimed that in asymptotic sense as M goes to infinite:

\sum_{i=1}^M\sum_{l=0}^L|h_i(l)|^2=M

where:

\sum_{l=0}^L\mathbb{E}\left\{|h_i(l)|^2\right\}=1.

How is that asymptotic follows?

Thanks in advance

mathman
Feb3-12, 04:17 PM
There are undefined symbols. What kind of things are hi(l)? What is the meaning of E?

S_David
Feb3-12, 05:25 PM
There are undefined symbols. What kind of things are hi(l)? What is the meaning of E?

E is the expectation, and h are random variables.

I got it, it is just by using the law of large numbers.

Thanks

mathman
Feb4-12, 04:33 PM
In the equation cited, what is asymptotic? Ratio -> 1 (true) or difference -> 0 (false)?

S_David
Feb5-12, 09:55 AM
In the equation cited, what is asymptotic? Ratio -> 1 (true) or difference -> 0 (false)?

as M goes to infinite.

mathman
Feb5-12, 03:54 PM
as M goes to infinite.

I know you mean as M -> ∞, but my question is what is supposed to happening as M -> ∞, expression divided by M -> 1 (true) or expression minus M -> 0 (false)?

S_David
Feb5-12, 04:25 PM
I know you mean as M -> ∞, but my question is what is supposed to happening as M -> ∞, expression divided by M -> 1 (true) or expression minus M -> 0 (false)?

I am sorry, I did not understand you quiet well. Can you say it in different way, please?

chiro
Feb5-12, 11:38 PM
I have the feeling that he is dividing by M.

S_David
Feb6-12, 09:44 AM
I have the feeling that he is dividing by M.

If he is dividing by the M the result would be 1 not M.

mathman
Feb6-12, 03:52 PM
I am sorry, I did not understand you quiet well. Can you say it in different way, please?
Let ∑(M) be the double sum you are talking about. There are two ways of expressing the limit as M -> ∞, {∑(M)}/M -> 1 (true) or ∑(M) - M -> 0 (false).

S_David
Feb6-12, 03:56 PM
Let ∑(M) be the double sum you are talking about. There are two ways of expressing the limit as M -> ∞, {∑(M)}/M -> 1 (true) or ∑(M) - M -> 0 (false).

\lim_{M\xrightarrow{}\infty}\frac{1}{M}\sum_{i=1}^ M\sum_{l=0}^L|h(l)|^2=1

mathman
Feb7-12, 03:43 PM
\lim_{M\xrightarrow{}\infty}\frac{1}{M}\sum_{i=1}^ M\sum_{l=0}^L|h(l)|^2=1
True. The author is making use of one of the fundamental theorems of probability theory - the law of large numbers.

S_David
Feb7-12, 03:47 PM
True. The author is making use of one of the fundamental theorems of probability theory - the law of large numbers.

Yes, right. Thanks

mathman
Feb7-12, 03:55 PM
Yes, right. Thanks

There is one caveat: hi independent of hj for i ≠ j.