What Were the Individual Costs of the Three Items at 7-11?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter ceptimus
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the individual costs of three items purchased at a 7-11 store, where the total cost was $7.11. Participants explore various mathematical approaches to solve the problem, including algebraic methods and numerical approximations, while considering the implications of different assumptions such as sales tax.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a method involving the tangents of a triangle to approximate the item prices, arriving at $2.17, $4.15, and $0.79.
  • Another participant acknowledges the method but notes a misremembering of the original puzzle, which involved four items instead of three.
  • A different approach is proposed using algebraic equations, leading to conditions on the variables representing the item prices, suggesting multiple potential solutions.
  • One participant suggests specific values for the prices, such as $3.21, $3.21, and $0.69, referencing a similar brain teaser.
  • Concerns are raised about the need for exact solutions, with mention of diophantine equations and the challenge of finding integer solutions.
  • Sales tax is introduced as a variable that could affect the total cost, prompting a humorous response about regional tax differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are multiple potential solutions to the problem, but no consensus is reached on a definitive answer. The discussion remains unresolved with various competing methods and assumptions presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering conditions such as the requirement for prices to be positive and the limitation of having a maximum of two decimal places for the prices. The discussion also touches on the implications of sales tax, which could alter the total cost.

ceptimus
Messages
299
Reaction score
2
I went into a 7-11 store and chose three items. I was charged $7.11

Intrigued that the cost was the same as the name of the store, I asked how the total was calculated. The checkout operator told me she simply multiplied together the price of the three items. Outraged, I insisted that she add the three prices rather than multiply them, but the total was still $7.11

What were the individual costs of the three items?
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
Solution:

This is a little ugly. I created a triangle with a base of 100 and modified the other two sides until the sum of the tangents was about 7.11 (length wound up being 145.7 and 156.3). For any triangle, the product of the tangents is equal to the sum of the tangents.

Unfortunately, this only got me close (I think arbitrarily setting the base hurt my accuracy). Then I just played around with each price until it worked out: $2.17, $4.15, and $0.79.
[/color]
 
Well that's very close, and I like the method.

Edit: I misremembered the puzzle. :redface: The original one had the same question, but with four items. There is an exact solution to that one. I suppose that Bob got as close as possible to an exact solution with the corrupted version I posted. :smile:
 
Last edited:
Let the 3 unknowns be:a,b,c.We know that:
[tex]abc=a+b+c=7.11[/tex]
Solving for a,b,c assumes that one of the 3 variables is to be taken as a parameter.Let that be "a".We impose upon "a" to satisfy:
[tex]a>0[/tex].It should remain true for "c" and "b" as well.
Then:[tex]b=\frac{7}{ac}[/tex](*)
[tex]a+\frac{7.11}{ac}+c=7.11\Rightarrow a^{2}c+7.11+ac^{2}=7.11ac[/tex].
Solving for c yields 2 solutions:
[tex]c_{1,2}=\frac{7.11a-a^{2}\pm\sqrt{(a^{2}-7.11a)^{2}-28.44}}{2}[/tex](**)

The relation (**) yields conditions on "a",beside the one of being positive.
1)[tex](a^{2}-7.11)^{2}\geq 28.44\Rightarrow i)a\geq \sqrt{7.11+\sqrt{28.44}}\sim 3.57$;ii)a\leq \sqrt{7.11-\sqrt{28.44}}\sim 1.29$[/tex]
We conclude [tex]a\in (0,1.29]\cup [3.57,7.11)[/tex]
Then it has to be solved this set of inequations:
[tex]0<{7.11a-a^{2}\pm\sqrt{(a^{2}-7.11a)^{2}-28.44}}<14.22[/tex]

And then from these set of solutions another condition for "b":
[tex]0<\frac{7.11}{ac}<7.11[/tex]

The trick,really brain teaser,is to ask of these solutions,algebraic numbers,to have maximum 2 decimals,as fractions of cents (0.01$) do not exist. :-p

The trick is:apparently the number of triplets is infinite.For numbers with infinite number of decimals.

Daniel.
 
To prove my logic right,chose "b=1$".Then u can find two possible solutions:
[tex]a\sim 4.495,c\sim 1.605;a\sim 1.565,c\sim 4.535[/tex]
I'll let u compute for [tex]b=1.01;b=1.02;b=1.03;...[/tex]

Daniel.
 
There's more than one solution.

How about:

$3.21+$3.21+$0.69[/color]

I should have gotten this answer first, since it's the answer to a possible version of a completely different brain teaser ("Going off on a tangent..." back in July).


dextercioby said:
The trick,really brain teaser,is to ask of these solutions,algebraic numbers,to have maximum 2 decimals,as fractions of cents (0.01$) do not exist.
I'm doing these on a slide rule. I only have 3 significant digits, max. :eek:
 
The problem isn't that nuch of a teaser unless you want exact solutions, in which case you have diophantine equations in the costs of the items measured in cents.

But my brain is on holiday right now, so... no solving these now.
 
Last edited:
What about sales tax?!
 
Matt, that made me laugh so hard. Must live in Alberta, Canada, no sales tax there.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
13
Views
12K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
7K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
127
Views
24K