Pressure law (how they combined to get pv/t)

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the equation PV/T = constant, exploring the relationships between pressure (P), volume (V), and temperature (T) in the context of gas laws, particularly the Ideal Gas Law.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how different gas laws combine to form the equation PV/T = constant. There are questions about the nature of the constants involved and the conditions under which these relationships hold true.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the variables and constants, while others express uncertainty about the explanations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider the Ideal Gas Law and the specific conditions under which the derived equation is valid.

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Participants note that the problems being discussed may not take into account the number of moles or molar mass, which could affect the understanding of the gas laws involved.

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Well .. i guess the question is in the title.I basically don't understand how they combined :

P/T = Constant

with

P . V = Constant to make P . V / T = Constant

i can guess

P/T = P . V which means P = P . V. T .. ummm help please!

Regards,
Mo
 
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there is one more law your missing.

V/T=constant

don't assume all the constants are equal either. Each one of those constants are different from the other.

If we know that P varies Directly with T and that V varies directly with T than PV varies directly with T.

So you get PV/T=constant. The constant in this equation absorbs the other three. Yeah I know it's a bad explanation. I understand it in my mind perfectly but I don't know how to explain it any better for now.
 
You need to consider the complete expression of the Ideal Gas Law to understand the constants.

PV = nRT

So when you say PV = Constant you are saying that nRT, is a constant. The only true constant here is R, n is the number of moles of material present. Clearly the statement PV = C is only true in very special conditions. That is when the amount of material (number of atoms) present is constant and the Temperature is constant.

To say the [itex]\frac P T = C[/itex] is to say that [itex]\frac {nR} V =C[/itex].
 
Ah yes.Thank you for your answers.The questions i am attemtping are rather easy and so they don't consider the amount of moles and molar mass and all of that stuff. Next section :)

Regards,
Mo
 
Integral said:
You need to consider the complete expression of the Ideal Gas Law to understand the constants.

PV = nRT

So when you say PV = Constant you are saying that nRT, is a constant. The only true constant here is R, n is the number of moles of material present. Clearly the statement PV = C is only true in very special conditions. That is when the amount of material (number of atoms) present is constant and the Temperature is constant.

To say the [itex]\frac P T = C[/itex] is to say that [itex]\frac {nR} V =C[/itex].


Integral. What your doing is reverse engineering a problem. Charles' Law and Boyle's Law were found before the ideal gas law and he wants to know how they combined that to get [itex]\frac {PV} T = C[/itex].

It's like where you know the force of gravity is directly proportional to the mass and inversely proportional to the distance squared.

How do you combine that to get [tex]F_g = G \frac {m_1 m_2} {r^2}[/tex]?
 

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