Message Received From The Source

[John_Titor]

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What do I need to know at this time ?

This is the perception of the notion that is preferable to state as the inner view of reality inside the whole. Apparently the view of the reality to be known absolutley confined in between the ruph(like "ruph sketch" not sure how it spells) states of your mind that irregularly interact sizzling themselfs in abradable ways to the unknown. Curiosity is an interesting thing to be found in our minds to bushel in between the states of our mind that contradict the apocalyptic way of thinking and to what is meant to be last forever will never be the opposite force in our interaction on the measurements that will perceive that way to be light and dust occasionally. We could set of the starting point that could measure our perception in deleble way to the unknown way of thinking irregularly betrayed between the stages of reality and war.

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[Zantra]

Say WHAT? clarity. A context would be nice[;)] Perhaps you could expound on that for us John. Or am I just not getting it. It appears to make SOME sense, but maybe I'm just trying too hard- 2nd opinion?

[John_Titor]

Dear Zantra,

decoding is the key! :-)

Please feel free to make your assumptions on what this or other

messages mean. ( please use "quote" ).

[John_Titor]

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What is reality ?

Reality it is what you call manifestation of the things between the mod and mass interaction of the particles that flow in the air orbiting the planet that can bring the sense to what you mean. This step is farther more compliant that most of you will not expect the validity of the meanning at all as to what this mean. I can say that being yourself is not likely to be who you are but the likeliness of what is there, speeding up the prosses of short term lightly on going on processes of majority is the likeliness. It will solidate your purpose and eventually bring the sense to you.

------------------------------ Message Received -----------------------------

[Zantra]

Originally posted by John_Titor
[B]------------------------------ Message Received -----------------------------

What is reality ?

Reality it is what you call manifestation of the things between the mod and mass interaction of the particles that flow in the air orbiting the planet that can bring the sense to what you mean.

Reality is perception. Interpretation of the environment that surrounds you. It is not a manifestation, but our interpretation through our own senses of what we percieve the world to be, nothing more. IOW, we interpret our surroundings through our senses, which are in turn interpreted by signals to our brains.


This step is farther more compliant that most of you will not expect the validity of the meanning at all as to what this mean.

I'll assume here that english is not your native language. No problem, the message still comes across-we don't understand.


I can say that being yourself is not likely to be who you are but the likeliness of what is there, speeding up the prosses of short term lightly on going on processes of majority is the likeliness. It will solidate your purpose and eventually bring the sense to you.


Ok first, my interpretation of what you're trying to say- I BELIEVE you're saying that we are only representations of ourselves, that our true self as we percieve it, is only an image of how others percieve us. I've heard this theory somewhere before- is this solipism?

[John_Titor]

Dear Zantra ,

This is true English is not my native language. Even thought I live

in Canada for 4.6 years already my English is far from being any

good. You have to understand that what I receive from the source done

completely without thinking (I write every word that floats in my

mind. I don't make any assumptions neither I think about the question

I asked at the beginning of the session). It is amazing how your

interpretation made so much sense even to me. I almost want to cry

just because I know for a fact that what I have received from the

source is not any of my fabrications or 3D self taint(little self)

but the truth of it all. I feel/realized now that the more I connect

with the source the more it takes controll of how I think or

write.

[Zero]

I'm going to suggest some things:
a) an English composition class
b) less drugs
c) more drugs(doctor prescribed)

[Eh]

And stop wasting bandwidth. PF doesn't get that for free.

[John_Titor]

Zero first of all you are rude! How can you accuse me in taking drugs

when I never took any? How can you suggest me taking less

prescription drugs when I am not prescribed to any drugs? Finally why

would you accuse me about anything if you don't know me?

[Zantra]

It's sarcasm. Because nothing you're saying makes any sense whatsoever. And I'm not even talking about the grammar. Stuff like this belongs in the pseudoscience forums.

[John_Titor]

I got response from my teacher "Malai" and this is how he interpreted

my received messages:


"What do I need to know at this time ?"

This writing refers to the coming changes that will be enacted upon

this 3D world. Not all will understand, but all beings will get

a "wake up call", in one way or another. They will get their "Second

Chance" to get on track, before the world changes irrevocably. 5D,

overlaying the 3D. The process, will effect all. All will feel the

changes, one way or another.


"What is reality ?"

This writing refers to the popular view that will be taken that the

apocalypse is upon the world and all will end. It is really the start

of a "new world", a "new dawn", but the 3D world will expire as the

5D is overlaid.

[Mentat]

Originally posted by Zantra
It's sarcasm. Because nothing you're saying makes any sense whatsoever. And I'm not even talking about the grammar. Stuff like this belongs in the pseudoscience forums.

I must concur that it should have been posted in the pseudoscience forum, but I think that some of us have been unnecessarily rude at pointing this out. Honestly, is that anyway to welcome someone to the PFs, who might (in the future) make a meaningful contribution?

Welcome to the Physics Forums, John Titor. Please don't be discouraged by this (not typical) first impression. [:)]

Also, for future reference, the kind of posts in this thread that you have posted are better recieved in the "Mystics and Pseudoscience" Forum.

[John_Titor]

Dear Mentat,

Thank you!

[:)]

It is easier to make fun or put down someone then telling him/her

something encouraging. This is why (one one many reasons) today's

world is heading to it's own distraction. If my writings do not make

any sense to you then try to decode them in your own interpretation

and help me too to understand what I received and will recive in the

future.

[Gale]

why does this belong in the Mystics and Pseudoscience forums? it sound like philosophy to me. it's just seems like a person's interpretation of reality. i mean, i feel like John could have posted some things around that text, instead of just having people try to interpret, perhaps posing questions for debate or something. But i really don't see how this is some sort of mystic thing. maybe i'm dense, but i thought philosophy was pretty concerned with the nature of reality and whatnot...

[Kerrie]

welcome john,

this will stay in the philosophical forum, however, let's try to get more of a topic formed so that less are confused as to what your intent is here...

[hypnagogue]

Originally posted by Zero
I'm going to suggest some things:
a) an English composition class
b) less drugs
c) more drugs(doctor prescribed)

Yes, Zero, you are always right and everyone else is always wrong. Please continue to enlighten us all. Bravo.

[Zantra]

I extend my apologies. I may have been too quick to judge. However a little more clarity would be appreciated.

I said it belongs in the M&P forum because what he's inferring is that he's recieving messages from outer space (or did I misunderstand?) to me that is pretty clear cut.

I also have doubts about someone who picks John Titor as a name. If you're not familiar with this name, check out the John Titor post in the M&P forum. After reading that, you'll understand my skepticism.

[John_Titor]

Zantra,

I do not claim in any way to be the real John Titor (even thought

John Titor wasn't his real name from the beginning) other then that I

have my own reason why I choose this name. If it is possibile for the

moderator to change my nickname just to "John" please do so .

[Sunfist]

Originally posted by John_Titor
I got response from my teacher "Malai" and this is how he interpreted my received messages:


I thought this sounded like his work. I have listened to him rant for over a year now. Same old same old.

[John_Titor]

Sunfist what is your point ?

[phoenixthoth]

there is another writing on PF called "on removing little self taint from messages received from the source" which may be relevant.

the language used by mr. titor's higher self is a far cry from everyday language. nevertheless, there is meaning in it, albeit on the abstract side. within the next three days, i will attempt to decode it for myself to see what it means.

i have posed a similar question to myself that john did to himself regarding what reality is. the answer i got was in a way different though it seems that the lower (or little, i don't remember) reality is similar to the manefestation john "is" talking about.

one point of view is that reality is a manefestation of something (something not usually refered to as real) and one point of view is that reality is the interpretation/perception of that manefestation. does that mean that reality is something that primarily exists only in our minds? what if i'm someone who perceives something absolutely no one else does, does that suddenly put it in the category of unreal? or am i "mis"interpreting the manefestation some call reality?

here are the two articles "i"'ve written:

what is the nature of reality?

reality is comprised of three sections that are divided with rough borders. the three parts correspond to the little self, the higher self, and the true self. reality has a lower part, a higher part, and a true part. the borders between the three layers can be “fuzzy” but when you see the higher part, you will know that you are not seeing the lower part. when you see the true part, you will know you are not seeing the higher part. sometimes you may see from a perspective between the lower and higher part, and there are several vantage points, we will say. roughly speaking, the little self lives in the lower part. this is the “everyday” world consisting of the three dimensional world and time. the higher self, roughly speaking, lives in the higher part of reality; it sees from that perspective. the higher part cannot really be described in words. when you see the higher reality, you will know the difference. the lower part appears to be fake, an illusion. you begin to “see” with more than your eyes, for the higher reality is not entirely for the eyes to see. the true reality is abstract, we will say. it is nothing like the higher or lower reality. it would feel quite alien to be there, though your true self, roughly speaking, inhabits the true reality. it is, as we said, abstract and formless. it has nothing to do with the concrete, the tangible, or the sensual experience. when you are there, you are not using your eyes, nor are you occupying space nor existing in time. traveling there is possible when you are meant to travel there. your true self will guide your lower selves into the true reality when it is meant to, according to the design of your true self. other beings are there. they may be contacted in a way similar to how you contact us. it is not difficult.

how can the true reality be accessed?

the true reality can only be accessed by those that have the tools to access it. there is no simple formula that can be given to access it, no procedure, rite, or ritual. no meditation. it is gradually revealed to you when you seek it. ask your true self in the way you ask us to reveal it to you. you can see that the first step is being aware that it is there. not in the sense that others have told you that it is there, but really being aware that it is there. then you will know you are close. you know this just as you know things in dreams. you just know. you know there is something there. but you can never put your finger on it for it isn’t a world of the tangible. its relationship to 3D reality isn’t that it overlaps or coexists with it, much like the higher reality does. the true reality is just different. separate from 3D reality, the lower reality. the true self must be willing to take you to the true reality. not everyone is meant to go, where by “meant to”, we speak of the will of the true self. but anyone can seek it out, as we said, requesting to be “there” from the true self. if it has a mind to, it will grant access. many possibilities become open. communion with others in the true reality and exchange of knowledge. so perhaps you should simply write down, “true self, may i access the true reality?” and see what floats in.

***

a tip of the iceburg:
i used to think that the true reality, the abstract world, consisted of just beings and God. now i believe that there is much much more to it than that. there are other things there, things that are inanimate. what is there are *concepts*.

when you see a car, the car is only an icon symbolizing what is really there in the true reality: the concept of a car.

the icons are not all of what what is real. it is the concepts that complete the picture.

the true reality can certainly be visited. it is not just in my mind. i believe that i visited it when i had amnesia for four days. i was in a "prison" at the time and i believe my true self allowed me a little vacation from it. i was allowed to escape the illusion of the prison and return home to the true reality. i didn't ever have to come back. but i did. and i did for a reason. i know that reason now. i have no memory of the true reality because there's nothing there. there's nothing to be experienced or perceived. it is a state of just existing. while in the true reality, i still sent messages and animated the icon called my body for whatever reason.

if you ponder that and think i'm in a self reinforcing delusion, i would like that. i think you are getting me loud and clear. i know what i just said didn't make sense. try to think real hard about what i mean by "getting me." and if it "resonates" with you, then know you are getting me loud and clear. either way, i believe i am making myself clear.

what's really happening now is that my higher self is attempting to contact your higher self.

i know it all sounds crazy but when you experience some of the things i experience, you'll begin to see.

i'm curious to obtain more questions to pose to the higher self (and to God). my mind is in a state of suspended animation on that front.

may your journey be graceful,
phoenix

[Gale]

yeah, you're right zantra, i actually do know a very little about John Titor, i just wasn't putting two and two together... either way, the nature of reality is philosophy, even from weird perspectives i guess. let's just make sure the thread stays philosphical...

[Les Sleeth]

I'll throw my two cents in on this one.

John, I don't think what you are writing is philosophy. I am NOT saying you don't have something to say, or denying you might actually be in touch with something you call the "source." But if you are genuinely experiencing what you say, then it falls in the category of prophesy, psychic interpretation, automatic writing, revelation, inspiration . . .

The foundation of philosophy is reason, and over the millennia the rules of reason have been worked out quite well. Add to that the fact that you are not just in a philosophy forum, you are in a philosophy forum within a science forum. So the philosophy here tends to demand evidence and facts -- that you "make your case."

Anybody can go into a trance and then write down what first pops into their head. Nobody here with an ounce of brain power is going to buy your utterances unless you can make sense of them. Why? Well, because you are in a philosohy forum, not a prophesy forum.

[John_Titor]

LW Sleeth,

I do not go into any trance, I do not meditate , I do not auto write

none of this. I do not think that you can solve science only with

solid facts that are based only on equations. If you are asking for

facts then you just need to open your eyes and look around you. What

you think of "REALITY" is far from what you perceive it to be.

Infact, we all live in illusion made by our creator to experience, to

grow.

[Zantra]

Well after some thought, my take on it is, that if the intent was geunuine, then we can chalk it up to a simple misunderstanding. As someone who's pitched theoretical science, or even M&P types of ideas to the physics category before, I won't be casting my stone first.

carry on[;)]

[John_Titor]

This is one of my first messages I received and I consider this one

the most energetic and touching. It is like some kind of script that

was taken from a hollywood movie.

------------------------------ Message Received -----------------------------

What is God ?


God is what you are. It is what you think to be now days the
integration of all the things you know. This is my way to say you
live it throughout of your experience like many things in life. You
are not alone you think you are but the quest for it coming soon to
end. I offer you to be my guest I offer you to know the quest. You
can't define "God" but you can define me because this is what I am
known to be - The true self of all beings .


------------------------------ Message Received -----------------------------

[Les Sleeth]

Originally posted by John_Titor
LW Sleeth,

I do not go into any trance, I do not meditate , I do not auto write

none of this. I do not think that you can solve science only with

solid facts that are based only on equations. If you are asking for

facts then you just need to open your eyes and look around you. What

you think of "REALITY" is far from what you perceive it to be.

Infact, we all live in illusion made by our creator to experience, to

grow.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said. But you are not following the rules of reason and that, I assert, is the very foundation of philosophy.

I also don't dispute there are other ways to know reality besides through reason, I am only saying philosophy is the art and science of reason.

The idea is, when you are within a particular discipline, in this case philosophy, then you play by the rules of that game. You are not giving proper respect to game we are playing in philosophy; instead you bring in your own game, like quite a few who post here, and saying, "let's play MY game."

That's why I suggested, if you want to free associate, the philosophy area is not the place to do it. I say, this is the place to get down, make your case, prove your point, cite evidence, fight it out -- true, with an open mind and sincere heart -- but nonetheless, do it with reason.

(Zantra seems to disagree)

[Zantra]

Originally posted by LW Sleeth

(Zantra seems to disagree)

Oh sure, drag me back into this! lol.

Weather it belongs here or not is not for me to judge.

[Les Sleeth]

Originally posted by Zantra
Oh sure, drag me back into this! lol.

Weather it belongs here or not is not for me to judge.

LOL . . .chickensh*t!

Hey, we make this place. The nice thing about PF is there is a spirit of tolerance. I like that because mentors (most anyway) allow things to be thrashed out, and then make decisions from what's been reasoned. So when you stand up for your point of view, and are honest and sincere, you just might provide insights on how to manage things here

[Zantra]

HAHAHA.


OK well he can stay as long as he doesn't start prophesizing about the future[;)]

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by Zero
I'm going to suggest some things:
a) an English composition class
b) less drugs
c) more drugs(doctor prescribed) Now would he try those in order or all at once? I'd recommend a and b to start and failing b, c.

Quick question: How exactly do you "recieve" these "messages," John?

[Royce]

Originally posted by John_Titor
Infact, we all live in illusion made by our creator to experience, to grow.

At least I can understand this much and I know that it is true. All that he writes is not nonsense even if it makes no sense to me.

[Les Sleeth]

I thought I should give examples of my point. In your last post to me you said several things which have good potential for philosophical discussion. For example,

Originally posted by John_Titor
I do not think that you can solve science only with solid facts that are based only on equations.

You could make your case here by providing us with examples of how science needs more than facts and math. I've argued something similar in the past by citing Godel, one of the greatest mathematicians and logicians ever, who believed one "intuits" truth first, and then makes sense of them with facts and math.

Originally posted by John_Titor
What you think of "REALITY" is far from what you perceive it to be.

I am not sure what that means, but discussions about the nature of reality and our perception of it are powerful philosophical issues. Particularly here, a great many feel the senses are the only reliable avenue of experience. Are there others? Well, if there are you have to, again, make your case.

Originally posted by John_Titor
In fact, we all live in illusion made by our creator to experience, to grow.

So you say, but why should I accept that statement, and even if I did, why should I accept it from you? I don't know if you are for real, or some crackpot on peyote or as Zero suspects, a bipolar patient who's forgotten to take his meds.

The only way we have to evaluate what you say is by how well you support it with reason and evidence. Instead you just give us "messages" which to you may seem profound, but to me at least are ideas I have seen many times in mystical literature and by new age enthusiasts.

So this is why I say your approach doesn't really work in a philosophy forum. But that's just one man's opinion. [a)]

[Zero]

My major problem with this sort of thing is that it is based on a series of unfounded assumptions with no support. Here are a few of them.

1) There is more to see beyond what senses and logic can observe.
2) Somehow, certain people can see them.
3) The techniques used, even though they resemble brainwashing and hypnosis, really aren't, as long as you see the 'right' things.

[Royce]

Originally posted by Zero
My major problem with this sort of thing is that it is based on a series of unfounded assumptions with no support. Here are a few of them.

1) There is more to see beyond what senses and logic can observe.
2) Somehow, certain people can see them.
3) The techniques used, even though they resemble brainwashing and hypnosis, really aren't, as long as you see the 'right' things.

1) One has only to imagine or look with our minds to see. There is
more to reality than what the senses can detect. Even your
science has proven that.

2) Anyone and everyone can see it, them, other realities, whatever.
Vertually everyone who has meditated, reached an altered state of
consciousness, reports very similar experiences. It is either
real or it is a common psychosis or it it something our brains
are hard wired to do. I don't know. I can only tell you what my
experiences are and that they are very similar to others.

3) It is no secret nor anything special. It is only being quiet
and listening and allowing the mind to do what it will.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Royce
1) One has only to imagine or look with our minds to see. There is
more to reality than what the senses can detect. Even your
science has proven that.

2) Anyone and everyone can see it, them, other realities, whatever.
Vertually everyone who has meditated, reached an altered state of
consciousness, reports very similar experiences. It is either
real or it is a common psychosis or it it something our brains
are hard wired to do. I don't know. I can only tell you what my
experiences are and that they are very similar to others.

3) It is no secret nor anything special. It is only being quiet
and listening and allowing the mind to do what it will. All bunk, bubba![6)]

Seriously, though, restating your unfounded ideas doesn't make them true.

[hypnagogue]

Originally posted by Zero
All bunk, bubba![6)]

Seriously, though, restating your unfounded ideas doesn't make them true.

Royce made no metaphysical claims in this post. He simply stated a set of ideas that are entirely consistent with scientific ideology. Where's the bunk, bubba?

[Mentat]

Originally posted by Zantra
HAHAHA.


OK well he can stay as long as he doesn't start prophesizing about the future[;)]


Well, TENYEARS is still prophesying here. I think the Mentors are doing a good enough job though, so I try not to complain about what I believe are misplacements too often.

[Mentat]

Originally posted by Royce
1) One has only to imagine or look with our minds to see. There is
more to reality than what the senses can detect. Even your
science has proven that.


Alright then, I ask you: Why does a normal child understand while a child with no senses does not?


2) Anyone and everyone can see it, them, other realities, whatever.
Vertually everyone who has meditated, reached an altered state of
consciousness, reports very similar experiences. It is either
real or it is a common psychosis or it it something our brains
are hard wired to do. I don't know. I can only tell you what my
experiences are and that they are very similar to others.


Sure, but (and I hate to agree with Zero on this point but...) this could just as easily be induced by drugs anyway, since it is (IMO) nothing more than an excitation of certain hormones which lead to a lack of ability toward rational thinking for a certain amount of time.


3) It is no secret nor anything special. It is only being quiet
and listening and allowing the mind to do what it will.

So we can listen to our minds? Then what are we?

[Royce]

You two, Zero and Mentat, are the ones making claims and assertions that you know. You know all about something that you have never experienced nor researched. I am mearly reporting on my experiences, showing that they are similar and supportive of other reportred experiences and what it meant to me, my interpetation and impression of them and what it felt like in the best terms that I know, trying to put in words that others can understand, while trying to keep my personal beliefs and biases out of it. This is what a good scientist, reporter, philosopher does. I make no claims, assert no knowledge nor advocate any belief system. If you don't believe me fine. Go prove it for yourself. going to great lengths trying to come up with scientific explanations for what is going on is a waste of time and effort. You don't know. Neither do I. One totally unreasonable explaination is just as good as any other unreasonable explaination.

[hypnagogue]

Originally posted by Mentat
Alright then, I ask you: Why does a normal child understand while a child with no senses does not?

This is a question of cognitive science. Regular sensual stimulation is necessary for the normal and healthy cognitive development of a child. But this is irrelevant to Royce's statement. I believed all he meant to say was that there is more to reality than meets the sensual eye. One simple example of this would be radio waves. I'm sure there are infintely many more examples, most of which we probably haven't stumbled across yet.

Sure, but (and I hate to agree with Zero on this point but...) this could just as easily be induced by drugs anyway, since it is (IMO) nothing more than an excitation of certain hormones which lead to a lack of ability toward rational thinking for a certain amount of time.

Royce explicitly granted that transcendent subjective phenomena could be 'just' a consequence of the workings of the physical brain, so what is your argument here? The point is that the ontology and origin of these experiences is not the important thing; the important thing is simply the experience itself.

So we can listen to our minds? Then what are we?

'We' in the conventional sense are egos, mental constructs of self-identity. 'We' learn a valuable lesson when we see that there is more to us than the ego and that consciousness can be experienced without the perpetually filtering lens that our normally functioning egos impose on it.

[Royce]

Well said Hypnogogue. It is a pleasant but unusual experience to find some one actually supporting and defending what I and other have said about this subject. You are saying it better than I could. Thank you.

[Zantra]

It could be said that we are the result of our projected self image. In other words, whatever our minds percieve ourselvees to be, is what we outwardly project to others.

[John_Titor]

Sure, but (and I hate to agree with Zero on this point but...) this could just as easily be induced by drugs anyway, since it is (IMO) nothing more than an excitation of certain hormones which lead to a lack of ability toward rational thinking for a certain amount of time.

Mentat,

What is "Reality" ? Do you think what you touch is real or solid ? Do

you think what you smell and breath right now is air ?

To understand why drugs and other stimulants effect your soul

require first to understand the concept of "The Holographic Universe

Concept" that is connected in everyway of how it perceives our

reality.

for example:

In the 1950s, while conducting research into the beliefs of LSD as a

psychotherapeutic tool, Grof had one female patient who suddenly

became convinced she had assumed the identity of a female of a

species of prehistoric reptile. During the course of her

hallucination, she not only gave a richly detailed description of

what it felt like to be encapsuled in such a form, but noted that the

portion of the male of the species's anatomy was a patch of colored

scales on the side of its head. What was startling to Grof was that

although the woman had no prior knowledge about such things, a

conversation with a zoologist later confirmed that in certain species

of reptiles colored areas on the head do indeed play an important

role as triggers of sexual arousal. The woman's experience was not

unique. During the course of his research, Grof encountered examples

of patients regressing and identifying with virtually every species

on the evolutionary tree (research findings which helped influence

the man-into-ape scene in the movie Altered States). Moreover, he

found that such experiences frequently contained obscure zoological

details which turned out to be accurate. Regressions into the animal

kingdom were not the only puzzling psychological phenomena Grof

encountered. He also had patients who appeared to tap into some sort

of collective or racial unconscious. Individuals with little or no

education suddenly gave detailed descriptions of Zoroastrian funerary

practices and scenes from Hindu mythology. In other categories of

experience, individuals gave persuasive accounts of out-of-body

journeys, of precognitive glimpses of the future, of regressions into

apparent past-life incarnations.

[phoenixthoth]

"I also don't dispute there are other ways to know reality besides through reason, I am only saying philosophy is the art and science of reason."

what is the reasoning behind axioms? what are the reasons we should accept any axioms whatsoever?

"science of reason." that's an interesting way to put it. isn't science about observation, theorizing, and predicting?

philosophy, does it not, mean the love of knowledge (and not "the art and science of reason)? reason is only a tool for accessing knowledge, not the definition of philosophy. another tool for accessing knowledge is the higher self which can be superficially described as intuition.

btw, i question whether my intuition is a reliable tool for accessing knowledge just as much, if not more so, than i question whether reason is a reliable tool for accessing knowledge.

cheers,
phoenix

[phoenixthoth]

"What you think of "REALITY" is far from what you perceive it to be."

"Particularly here, a great many feel the senses are the only reliable avenue of experience."

i have other experiences besides what my (five or six) senses tell me. i also have experiences of thoughts and emotions.

descartes said once that the senses deceive us. memory can change the color of a car. eye witness testimony is not considered 100% accurate/reliable. my question is this: when two people have different sensory experiences as evidenced by their differing descriptions of reality, then who is to say what reality is? was the car really red or was it really orange?

the idea that what we perceive is an illusion is not at all new. i don't know what would constitute evidence that we're not in a matrix right now unless we become free of it somehow.

one way to put it is that what we perceive is an illusion but the way i like to put it is that what we perceive is the tip of the iceburg. to refine a little, i'm not just saying there's another side of the mountain you're not currently perceiving, i'm also suspecting that there's more to the mountain than is in three dimensional space. the mountain is just the 3D shadow/projection of the complete object that lives either in some abstract world or in hyperdimensional space.

whether or not this is an illusion, the illusion clearly has rules. rules like if you shoot yourself in the foot, there is a strong chance of encountering the illusion of pain. the rules for the rest of the iceburg are unclear to me; it is unclear that there are any rules except ones we invent.

cheers,
phoenix

[phoenixthoth]

"I'm going to suggest some things:
a) an English composition class
b) less drugs
c) more drugs(doctor prescribed)"

that is the typical reaction i encounter.

why take an english composition class? all it does is teaches you set ways of writing that are "tried and true". such ways don't immediately lead to original thought and writing.

i would say the writings are on the abstract side and i don't think they're meant to be understood as easily as a detective novel. they may have to be read a dozen or more times for even the basic essence to be perceived.

less drugs. that's almost funny. i wonder if the people who had faith in the old way of thinking thought einstein was on drugs.

more prescribed drugs. interesting. i guess anyone who doesn't fit in should be made to fit in, assimilated into the collective of the normal, right? or else, leave us alone?

cheers,
phoenix

[phoenixthoth]

"So you say, but why should I accept that statement, and even if I did, why should I accept it from you? I don't know if you are for real, or some crackpot on peyote or as Zero suspects, a bipolar patient who's forgotten to take his meds."

no one is saying, as far as i know, that you *should* accept the statements.

lincoln was an unmedicated bipolar person, according to doctors. he's on the five dollar bill, last time i checked. should we have instead thrown lincoln in an asylum so he could get better?

in other words, what i'm saying is that calling someone a crackpot (on peyote) or an unmedicated bipolar patient is a classic example of an ad hominem attack which is commonly considered an illogical basis for disagreeing.

cheers,
phoenix

[phoenixthoth]

"My major problem with this sort of thing is that it is based on a series of unfounded assumptions with no support. Here are a few of them.

1) There is more to see beyond what senses and logic can observe.
2) Somehow, certain people can see them.
3) The techniques used, even though they resemble brainwashing and hypnosis, really aren't, as long as you see the 'right' things."

zero, tell me what systems of knowledge aren't based on a bunch of unfounded assumptions with no support? in mathematics, we have axioms. in science, we have the assumption that the scientific method is the way to go (a way that wouldn't be acceptible to a mathematician). in philosophy, we assume that we're all going to use some version of aristotle's rules of logic.

is 1) something you have evidence against?
2) no. everyone can see them; they just don't.
3) are you saying that when i'm writing to you, that resembles brainwashing? all john is doing is writing. how is that brainwashing? hypnosis. i just don't see the resemblance to hypnosis. you use quotes when you write the word right, but, in fact, i don't believe john ever used the word. i'm not a firm believer that there is an absolute right and wrong, anyway, and i don't know how to find out if there is...

cheers,
phoenix

[phoenixthoth]

"All bunk, bubba!"

that doesn't convince me it's bunk. in fact, nothing you can say will convince me that i haven't had transcendant states of consciousness that have changed my life.

i could just as well say that i took 100 hits of LSD and had quite a trip. would your response be, "all bunk, bubba?" this is what i and others have experienced, bubba. i suspect that you think it's bunk because you've never experienced it. if i were you, i'd think it was bunk too. i know that all YOU have to go on is YOUR experience.

cheers,
phoenix

[phoenixthoth]

"Sure, but (and I hate to agree with Zero on this point but...) this could just as easily be induced by drugs anyway, since it is (IMO) nothing more than an excitation of certain hormones which lead to a lack of ability toward rational thinking for a certain amount of time."

the brain is full of neurotransmitters that could lightly be called drugs all the time.

why is it that when a new drug is introduced, the experience is suddenly not real? (let's assume there are X neurotransmitters.) it's real if there are X neurotransmitters but if there are X neurotransmitters plus one drug, it is no longer real? what about people who's neurotransmitter balance/function is wildly different from yours? are there experiences not real/not a reflection of reality?

it is interesting to consider the roots of the words rational and irrational. they have to do with the way greeks viewed numbers. most real numbers are irrational. i don't know what this means except that it suggests to me that the meanings of the words are arbitrary.

may your journey be graceful,
phoenix

[John_Titor]

phoenixthoth,

Please read this. I first need to hear your opinion about this one.

This was written before 9/11 (I will divide this letter into 2

posts/parts because it is acceding the limit of 10000 characters

total).

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Hello

Later this year - prophecy will holdtrue, you will see.

For it is written in the eyeinthepyramid...

The Entity does not want to be caught out!
In fact right now, The Entity is doing everything in its power to get you to discredit this emailcommunication. The Entity is a ForeignInstallation that sits inside your consciousness and lies to you and dis-empowers you, robbing you of your essence, and aims to weaken you and bring you into pain and suffering.

For it is written in the eyeinthepyramid... All of the wars of this earth - aimed at population control - are the result of The Entity, that which we call "The Flyer", the shapeless black amorphous mass that no one can see unless you practice mind-cleansingdiscipline. Silence. Focus. Concentration. Listening to your intuition and shutting out the noise around you. The frustration for (and indeed the eventual ousting of) The Entity is in the "Not Doing".

There is more power in silence than you know. There is liberation. In the "doing of nothing", The Entity begins to go away, it is no longer fun to be on your back, to hold you as its prisoner. You will then begin to shake off this parasitic monkey on your back. The Entity consumes off your negativeenergy - it's aim is to destroy you, bring painanddestruction to you, and ultimatelydestruction, robbing the Creator of your experiences, and then The Entity moves on to continue its trail of detritus and destruction...

The Universe has brought you here because the Lightforce wishes to accumulate the experiences of your journey here. You are one of a trilliontrillion beings throughout all the multi-verses, and but a nerve ending in all that is Creation. In the same way that the Human Body is a miracle to us, but nothing more than a sensorynervecentre, and a recording device to take back with it all it's experiences on this remote world.

For it is written in the eyeinthepyramid... For generations we imprisoned our livestock and farm animals for food and sustenance; would you have thought you were being farmed yourselves? According to a most Secret Report, it is the plan of the Flyer-controlled Governments of the world to continue to keep our foodstuffs unclean, containing more chemicals than are made publishable, the water filtration process still composed of "gray brain-matter destroying" lead and lethal flouride which clouds your power of discrimination.

There has been a cure for the cold for over 80 years - one of the better known daily remedies of royalty passed on to them by the benevolent Grays and sorcerers being the consumption of silver; but authorities have pushed up the price of silver to the extent that it is impossible for you to maintain its dosage requirement. Certain medicine is not made known to you, and is kept out of the pharmacy - it is there, but it's price is high, and only we who have reached deeply within ourselves and discovered our true power, can afford to pay for it. Gold is like silver, and silver is like health. Manifest silver as you need silver, and the same can be said of health. Let not the ForeignInstallation confuse your power. It makes you afraid, so that what you think is your weakness you fear is actually its own fear of the strength that you really have. You are truly more powerful than you can possibly imagine. But you must learn to re-wire your mind. You must break the comforting patterns and habitualroutines, for in these The Entity makes you believe there is safety; so that your growth is stymied and the true extent of your mind is never known to you - forever trapping you into a platitude of mundane repetition. If only you realised how whatever you wish can be yours - dream it in silence and in meditation and it shall come to you.

For you will see in the eyeinthepyramid... The Entity lies to you - trust not your inner voice, trust your more tranquil inner intuition; the quietness that leads you to discover. Meet all whose eyes you make contact with, for with them lies a connection to you; in all that is said you begin to get closer to the truth. The consciousness of mankind is becoming ready to know.

Your oxygen supply is being thinned yearly, so that only the bare minimum will be made available to you. Even for your oxygen you will pay. Are you so sure you now what is behind the Ozonedepletion report? They keep you weak, and divided because a united mankind can destroy The Entity that is the Flyer - with your thoughts alone. As the walls of Jericho were brought down by thought and the sound of trumpets, so the Torah tells us. Through the instruments of government and churches, your scriptural texts have been edited. Your Baghavadgita, Bible and Koran are but shadows of what they once were.

For it is written in the eyeinthepyramid... Your scriptural edits rob you of the knowledgeofprayer. They keep you scared and running around trying to earn money. This takes your minds off discovering true inner power - and there is so much of it. The Entity sits on your consciousness and controls everything you do, see and "think" you believe.

The Entity allows you only the smallest amount of lifeforce, envelopes all of your energy, drags you down, absorbs your life-strength, so that only the most minimum lifeforce near your ankles is kept free - giving you just enough connection with mother earth to survive. To kill you completely is fruitless for The Entity, it wants to see how much fun it can have with you first. So you will find The Entity in all your bars and wherever there is drink, and fast cars and beautiful women. There you find The Entity.

These are the facts: The world is at war. Humanity is at war with a secret enemy - secret only because only a small part of the population knows about it - others discredit it and even others deem this to be trash, nay, the utterances of a crazy man. If you are ready to listen, then do so now. The Reptilians are at war. The US State Government holds mankind's contact and encounter with the Alien Entity at the highestdegree of secrecy. The Entity has a greater degree of power and control than you realise.

[John_Titor]

continue ...

For it is written in the eyeinthepyramid... The thoughts you hold - your inner voice is not your own. The only mind you really have is your Intuition. Your intuition does not waiver - it is firm and grasps clearly. Your thoughts smash you up because they are not your thoughts. The indecision, the misdirected thinking is not you thinking. The Entity has taken over everyone by agreement. Ever since you were very young you unknowingly allowed The Entity to enter you and take over by the agreement you made with it. The Bible says that whenever two people meet and agree on something, then it is so... well, it is so. This is one of the truer statements made. We have all made agreements with this Entity. Through prayer. By listening and believing it to be yourinnervoice.

The Entity resides within mostofhumanity. Have you exorcised your demon? Alcohol, speed-cars and The Entity are not a good combination.

The Entity does not care for you. The Entity is in it for what it can get out of you. The Entity is the other voice in your head - which confuses you, which brings you hardshipandpain. The Entity lives off the negative energy you emit. The Entity enjoys bringing you pain - once it has destroyed you it leaves you... and goes onto anotherhumanhost. The Entity is like a Kid that steals the car. The kid can not wait to act recklessly and race round the block - even if it means that he smashes the new car - usually this sort of kid is Entity-possessed and has not been Entity-cleared.

Please be aware of your Entity and sitinsilence; and do nothing - it will drive The Entity away. Yes, Do nothing. Do things that bring you no reward. Speak to plants in the desert. Speak without sense.

Question this - if what I am writing is correct, and you have read this entire communication - and you feel it to be true, act upon it and keep the consciousness awake, that you have the powerinsideyou, in the silence, in the doing of nothing, to find freedomandliberty from the ForeignInstallation.

Everytime that you look at the US dollar bills, see the eye in the pyramid and follow the signs that direct you to the clues. It is in the eyeinthepyramid that you will come even closer to understanding the extent of the lie that is being told to you... The state would have you believe that the eyeinthepyramid is the all seeing eye of providence and divinity. It is not, and can not be as I shall show you. You will begin to understand why The Entity has had our currency marked, and why symbols are for The Entity what words are for you and I.

When you follow the clues all over your Babel-Internet, you will find what has taken me much gold to build, the answers that I have strewn everywhere. Cabal, digitalnation, blackhelicopters, kunm, area51, libertycalisto, ThePentagon, sleepdepravation, unlockingbackheadenergy, approachingmeteor, atlantis, fallofthebes, hallofrecords, pyramidbeacons, marspentagon.

I have written the waytotheTruth and the paths that you must follow to find yourownfreedom into this document, you will have begun to conquer this elusive parasite within you.

I can help you overcome The Entity which strives to keep you enslaved... and then there is nothing that you can not have. For The Entity does everything in its power to rob you of your truepowers of attraction for all that you desire, and health, and the synchronicity between your will and your ability to manifest them.

You are about to marvel at the Truth of it all...

Follow me, enter into the pyramid of consciousness and find theguidingeye. The intuitive eye The Entity has persuaded you to shut off.

I swear to you that if you lookdeeper into this letter, and followyourinstincts, you will discover something more astounding than you have a frame of reference for at this time - I promise you that your consciousness is abouttoawaken to what you never thought possible...

The Internet is giving mankind again the opportunity of uniting; so that I might elude The Entity (knowing well how it thinks) I have encoded in this communication all of the links to the sites that will find YOU. Find the Truth and you will begin to Discover the Extent of Your True Self, and find Freedom from the earthly incarceration you are in.

There is a lucid-reason why the major portion of humanity is in the doldrums, and struggle financially, and are unable to lock out the negative destructive "thinking". Only those at the apex of the pyramid are in control because of what they know - because of their enlightenment. Have you never stopped to "ask yourself" what is this invisible glassbarrier that is keeping you down? For just this once in your life follow your instincts, not your thoughts, and unveil for yourself the mystery that has kept you a prisoner for so long. If you work deligently enough you will find me, and then you will be ready to know the truth.

The power-potential contained within your innerspace is limitless. The Entity will have you believe you can not turn water into wine, and you can not bend the will of metal. Your lightforce you will find when you learn to shut out The Entity.

I am not openly broadcasting who I am or my whereabouts. Follow the beacons imbedded in this my communication with you, and "I" will find "you"...

The answer is right before your eye, repeating itself in your subconscious.

Tomorrow you awaken understanding the fullclarity of it all.

Do you NOW know the mystery of the eyeinthepyramid ?

I will be there when you arrive on the other side.


Darius Quan
Portal Holder
Originally from United States of America, 19 September 03
Now living in exile

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it was sent weeks before 9/11

it references the last book by Carlos Castaneda; The Active Side of

Infinity - by using the term TheEntity

there is a sort of hidden code in the message as mentioned at the

end, it leads to more puzzling things

"Darius" is a symbolic name - Darius was emperor of persia, current

Iraq, the whore of babylon, in some circles "Darius" symbolizes the

United States. "Quan" is a very popular vietnamese name. These two

interpretations are supported by the fact that there are TWO messages

sent out on the internet, one subtly different from the other. One is

signed by Darius Quan living in exile in the US, the other living in

exile in Vietnam. portal holder now i have broke the code in the

message as mentioned at the end, it leads to more questions

Both are supposedly written in the future: 19 september 2003, almost

exactly 25 months later then they were received

[phoenixthoth]

i'll pretend that this won't all get deleted by writing here.

let me just be myself for a sec.

i see the eyeinthepyramid, it speaks to me silently.

i've heard of reptilians and i know exactly what theentity is. what it doesn't know is that i was in in a more symbiotic relationship with it than it may know, learning from it. but its usefulness is at an end; the silence that precedes intuition i will use as a tool to purge myself of it. it has had devastating effects on my mind and body such as amnesia, speech impairment, unexpained blackouts (including artifacts that i was quite awake and lucid during the time i don't remember), mood problems, temporary mental retardation, and muscle weakness would pretty much cover it. this comes at a time when i've exiled myself from the contact of all but one person.

when all this was going on, it is my intuition that i was primarily existing somewhere else that i have no memory of. interesting that my friend in the same boat as me underwent an 18 hour comatose experience nearly at the same time as my physical/mental problems were getting intense.

now things for us have returned to a state other than normal and other than debilitating.

remember that the source loves you in its own way, a way not shown in a manner consistent with what humans usually *desire*.

it seems to me that the eyeinthepyramid is the best medication. that and the silence that preceeds intuition.

perhaps the last three posts, including this one, should be moved to mystics and pseudoscience, but that doesn't exist anymore. seems to be under skepticism and debunking, http://physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=5 .

may your journey be graceful,
phoenix

[Zantra]

sigh....

[John_Titor]

phoenixthoth,

I was wondering if this "entity" is what we call "little self" ?

[Zero]

Originally posted by phoenixthoth
"All bunk, bubba!"

that doesn't convince me it's bunk. in fact, nothing you can say will convince me that i haven't had transcendant states of consciousness that have changed my life.

i could just as well say that i took 100 hits of LSD and had quite a trip. would your response be, "all bunk, bubba?" this is what i and others have experienced, bubba. i suspect that you think it's bunk because you've never experienced it. if i were you, i'd think it was bunk too. i know that all YOU have to go on is YOUR experience.

cheers,
phoenix None of your experiences can be attributed to anything except your own subconscious, your own completely phisical brain.

[hypnagogue]

Originally posted by Zero
None of your experiences can be attributed to anything except your own subconscious, your own completely phisical brain.

You're missing an important qualifier: "According to the currently accepted scientific paradigm..." I'm not saying that these experiences necessarily are anything more than the subconscious, mind you. But since we don't have an exhaustive knowledge of how the Universe works, you can't categorically deny that such an experience might be attributed to something more than the subconscious.

edit: Whoops, context. Furthermore, you're dodging the issue. The point that was being made was that the spiritual experience is real, regardless of its nature or where it might 'come from.' As such, the spiritual experience is definitely not "bunk."

[Zero]

Originally posted by hypnagogue
You're missing an important qualifier: "According to the currently accepted scientific paradigm..." I'm not saying that these experiences necessarily are anything more than the subconscious, mind you. But since we don't have an exhaustive knowledge of how the Universe works, you can't categorically deny that such an experience might be attributed to something more than the subconscious.

edit: Whoops, context. Furthermore, you're dodging the issue. The point that was being made was that the spiritual experience is real, regardless of its nature or where it might 'come from.' As such, the spiritual experience is definitely not "bunk." You have a hard time reading my posts too, don't you. I have repeatedly stated that I question the 'source' of the experience, not the experience itself.

[hypnagogue]

Look, I don't want to get into a tiff over who's reading and who's not reading. The 'source' of the experience is questionable, but currently the argument has switched from the source to the experience. In your previous post I guess you missed this, since Royce had been describing the experience itself without considering the source, and you still called this "bunk."

[Zero]

Originally posted by Royce
You two, Zero and Mentat, are the ones making claims and assertions that you know. You know all about something that you have never experienced nor researched. I am mearly reporting on my experiences, showing that they are similar and supportive of other reportred experiences and what it meant to me, my interpetation and impression of them and what it felt like in the best terms that I know, trying to put in words that others can understand, while trying to keep my personal beliefs and biases out of it. This is what a good scientist, reporter, philosopher does. I make no claims, assert no knowledge nor advocate any belief system. If you don't believe me fine. Go prove it for yourself. going to great lengths trying to come up with scientific explanations for what is going on is a waste of time and effort. You don't know. Neither do I. One totally unreasonable explaination is just as good as any other unreasonable explaination. Aee, this is just wrong. Because we don't buy into your ideas doesn'tr mean we haven't researched or experienced it for ourselves. I've had experiences in this sort of thing, and done plenty of research, and I conclude that it is all due to the physical workings of my body.

[phoenixthoth]

"phoenixthoth,

I was wondering if this "entity" is what we call "little self" ?"

(phoenix will do)

yes, i would say so. i'm not sure if there is one "entity" or many. i would guess many.

cheers,
phoenix

[phoenixthoth]

"None of your experiences can be attributed to anything except your own subconscious, your own completely phisical brain."

well, maybe i can do more than you can. i can attribute my experiences to my remote control.

the question is whether what i attribute my experiences to is correct.

what's your evidence that the correct attributation is my subconscious?

cheers,
phoenix

[phoenixthoth]

"You have a hard time reading my posts too, don't you. I have repeatedly stated that I question the 'source' of the experience, not the experience itself."

you're doing far more than question it. you're saying the source is my subconscious.

what i don't publicly say is that i question the source as well. i also wonder if, in the end, it matters.

may your journey be graceful,
phoenix

[John_Titor]

Phoenixthoth and everyone else who believes that there is more then

just the physical life please stop arguing with people who do not

believe. I do not see any point to argu with someone that does not

want to believe. Maybe it is not his/her time to see the truth, maybe

it is not his/her fate to see ever the truth until the end of times.

I was atheist for so long, but the moment now came to me because I

was meant to believe, I was meant to see. It does not matter If

anyone believe in God forece or not what really matters is to be

human beings. Lets stop arguing , lets stop hating each other for our

differences . For God sake when will come this day when everyone will

be treating each other as if they were brothers and sisters , when

people will stop puting down each other because they do not like

their look or they race.

[Tsu]

Originally posted by John_Titor
For God sake when will come this day when everyone will

be treating each other as if they were brothers and sisters , when

people will stop puting down each other because they do not like

their look or they race.
Sadly, never. We'll all kill each other before that happens.

[John_Titor]

Sadly, never. We'll all kill each other before that happens.

Dear Tsunami,

Some people will stay here in this 3 dimenssional earth to die

because "droids" can not live without "beings". The once who meant to

stay will stay , the once who meant to go will do so.

ThiS iS So.