The earths OLD moment of inertia?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the Earth's moment of inertia and how it may be calculated in a hypothetical scenario where all construction materials are still in the ground. Participants explore the implications of recent geological events on the Earth's rotation and moment of inertia, as well as the broader factors affecting these measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to calculate the Earth's moment of inertia without considering the mass of buildings, suggesting a comparison to smaller scale constructions.
  • Another participant notes that the materials used for construction may have originally come from higher elevations, complicating the calculation of the net effect on the Earth's moment of inertia.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that even if the mass of all buildings were estimated, it would likely be insignificant compared to the mass of the Earth's crust.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of tidal drag affecting the Earth's rotation, implying that this factor must also be considered in discussions about moment of inertia.
  • Further, a participant references research indicating a long-term component affecting the Earth's rotation, which may relate to changes in the Earth's oblateness since the last ice age, and raises questions about the implications of this finding.
  • The discussion also touches on a potential cosmological connection to the Earth's rotation and its natural time scale, suggesting a deeper relationship between geophysical and cosmological phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the significance of construction materials and other factors affecting the Earth's moment of inertia and rotation. There is no consensus on how to approach the calculation or the implications of the findings discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, including the dependence on various assumptions about material origins and the influence of tidal forces. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the calculations and implications of the Earth's moment of inertia.

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Now i don't know if this is just a stupid question :) But i came to thinking while reading the news about the Earth having slowed down 3microseconds because of the recent earthquake in souteast asia. The explanation i read was that it was because the Earth's crust had moved a few meters up and so the moment of inertia of the Earth had been changed.

This got me to thinking, that this is no different then building a house (obviously on a much smaller scale), and was wondering if there was any way to calculate the Earth's moment of inertia if there were no houses on the Earth at all, so all bricks/cement/metal used in houses were not raised above the Earth in houses, but still in the ground where they were originally harvested.

Is there any way to do this relatively easily? That is without just crunching it the hard way on paper o_O I'm bad enough with just "normal" simple shapes :smile:
 
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You have the complication that the materials used to build those houses may have come from higher elevations in the first place so that the net effect, in some cases, will be to lower the elevation. Also, the materials will have come from different latitudes than the structures.
 
Agh true o_O didn't think of that.
 
I would suspect that even if you could come up with an estimate of the mass of every building on the planet, that total would still be insignificant when compared to the mass of the Earth's crust.
 
or the effect of tidal drag slowing the Earth's rotation down.
 
or the long term spinning up of the Earth, once tidal drag has been taken into account. Stephenson et al. [ Astronomy & Geophysics, Vol. 39, October 1998. "The Sands of Time and the Earth’s Rotation", also Astronomy & Geophysics, Vol. 44 April 2003. "Historical eclipses and Earth’s rotation"] have found from the analysis of the length of the day from ancient eclipse records that in addition to the tidal contribution there is a long-term component acting to decrease the length of the day, which equals:
△ T/day/cy = −6 x 10−4 sec/day/century.

This component, which is consistent with recent measurements made by artificial satellites, is thought to result from the decrease of the Earth’s oblateness following the last ice age.

However, it is remarkable that this value of △T/day/cy is equal to
H, Hubble's cosmological expansion parameter if
H = 67km.sec−1/Mpc.

The question is; why should this spinning up of the Earth’s rotation have a natural time scale equal to the age of the universe rather than the natural relaxation time of the order of that of the Earth’s crust or the periodicity of the ice ages? This effect may be cosmological rather than geophysical in nature.

Note. Such a spin up is a prediction of http://arxiv:org/abs/gr-qc/0405094.

Garth
 
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