What is the derivative of (b^2*x^2 + x^2*y^2 = a^2*b^2) with given values?

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative in the context of implicit differentiation, specifically involving the equations \(x^3 + y^3 - 3xy = 0\) and \(b^2 x^2 + x^2 y^2 = a^2 b^2\). Participants are exploring how to differentiate these equations with respect to time.

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  • Participants are attempting to differentiate the given equations implicitly and are questioning the correctness of their substitutions and calculations. There are discussions about the proper application of the product rule and the chain rule in the context of derivatives.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the differentiation process, pointing out potential mistakes in the calculations and suggesting corrections. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of treating certain variables as constants.

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Participants are working under the assumption that \(a\) and \(b\) are constants in the second equation, which influences their differentiation approach. There is also a focus on ensuring the correct application of implicit differentiation rules.

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Hello all

If x^3 + y^3 - 3xy = 0, dx/dt = -1 , x = 3/2. y = 3/2 what is dy/dr?

So 3x^2 (dx/dt) + 3y^2 (dy/dt) - 3[x(dx/dt) + y(dy/dt)] = 0. So I just substitute values. Is this correct?

Thanks
 
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courtrigrad said:
Hello all

If x^3 + y^3 - 3xy = 0, dx/dt = -1 , x = 3/2. y = 3/2 what is dy/dr?

So 3x^2 (dx/dt) + 3y^2 (dy/dt) - 3[x(dx/dt) + y(dy/dt)] = 0. So I just substitute values. Is this correct?

Thanks

You made a mistake calculating out derivative of 3xy...

Yes, once you have the formula just substitute.
 
courtrigrad said:
Hello all

If x^3 + y^3 - 3xy = 0, dx/dt = -1 , x = 3/2. y = 3/2 what is dy/dr?

So 3x^2 (dx/dt) + 3y^2 (dy/dt) - 3[x(dx/dt) + y(dy/dt)] = 0. So I just substitute values. Is this correct?

Thanks
No,the bracket is wrong...

[tex]3x^{2}\frac{dx}{dt}+3y^{2}\frac{dy}{dt}-3[x\frac{dy}{dt}+\frac{dx}{dt}y]=0[/tex]

Daniel.
 
thanks a lot guys
 
Also if we have

b^2 * x^2 + x^2*y^2 = a^2 * b^2, is:

dy/dt = 2b^2 *x (dx/dt) + 2a^2*y (dy/dt) = 0

Thanks (a and b are constants)
 
That's not right... You are given:

b^2 * x^2 + x^2*y^2 = a^2 * b^2

How did you get to your next line?
 
a and b are constants. So i get the second line.
 
courtrigrad said:
a and b are constants. So i get the second line.

b^2 * x^2 + x^2*y^2 = a^2 * b^2

taking the derivative of both sides, I get

(2b^2)x(dx/dt) + (2x)(dx/dt)(y^2) + (x^2)(2y)(dy/dt)=0
 

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