Green fuktion on the wave operator in 1 dimension

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Green function in the context of the wave operator in one dimension. The original poster is attempting to solve a problem involving a specific Green function and its associated differential equations, while expressing difficulty in the integration process and the interpretation of the results.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Green function to the wave operator, with some suggesting the use of the d'Alembertian operator under the integral. Questions arise regarding the integration intervals and the handling of the delta functions. The original poster expresses confusion about the integration process and the expected outcome.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the properties of the Green function and its verification against the differential equation. Some participants provide insights into the integration process and the implications of the delta function, while the original poster continues to seek clarification and further assistance on specific steps.

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The original poster notes a time constraint, as the homework is due soon, and expresses concern about the correctness of their approach. There is mention of imposed homework rules that restrict the use of certain equations directly, indicating a need for a more explicit demonstration of the Green function's properties.

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I have a Homework here I'm trying to solve like the last 3-4 hours but somehow I'm stuck so I ask you guys for help:

They gave me the Green Function like this:
http://idefix.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~aufgabe/THEO204/theo9/img50.png
with http://idefix.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~aufgabe/THEO204/theo9/img53.png for y >= 0 and http://idefix.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~aufgabe/THEO204/theo9/img55.png for y<0
Now I'm supposed to solve this:
http://idefix.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~aufgabe/THEO204/theo9/img61.png
with
http://idefix.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~aufgabe/THEO204/theo9/img36.png and http://idefix.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~aufgabe/THEO204/theo5/img39.png and http://idefix.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~aufgabe/THEO204/theo9/img62.png

Would be so nice if someone could help me! thanks in advance!
 
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So you're basically saying to solve
[tex]box_{1}[I_{G_{1}}(\phi)][/tex]

That means [itex]box_{1} \int G_{1}(x,t)\phi (x) dx[/itex]
with he "box"/d'alembertian taken wrt to "y" and "t'"("t" prime)
Then u can insert the d'alembertian under the integral and use the differential eq.verified by the propagator.

It think the integration will be immediate...

Daniel.
 
thx for your quick reply! But I don't quite following that one, could you explain it to me with more details? and phi is also a function of t ;)
I Expect to get phi(0,0) at the end. I tried some more and got something similar except a minus in front of it but i really don't think that it was mathematically correct what I did there over those 2 pages x_X have to get this one done by tomorrow morning so i would appreciate any kind of help! thx!
What i basically did until now is that I made my integration invervals smaller:
for all t < 0 Teta is 0 anyway so my integral over dt goes from 0 to infinite, now with my t >0 I started to change the interval for dx by only integrating over the support of Teta that means my Interval changed to [-ct , ct]
Now my first problem was that my Integration Interval is a function of t. I did get one differentation to t inside the Integral over dx and got 3 terms and well ... here I'm not sure anymore if that was right x_X
This is the last thing i have where I'm quite sure that it could be right:

[itex]((1/c^2) \partial_{t}^2 - \partial_{x}^2) \int_{0}^{\infty} dt \int_{-ct}^{ct} dx ( (c/2)\phi (x,t) )[/itex]
 
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anyone? still can't solve it x_X
 
Okay,first question:I find kind of awkward the shape of the Green's function.
It should always look like this:
[tex]G_{1}(x,x',t,t')[/tex] and should verify identically the differential equation
[tex]\hat{O}_{x,t} G(x,x',t,t')=\delta(x-x')\delta(t-t')[/tex](1)

U can make the substitution
[tex]x-x' \rightarrow R[/tex](2)
[tex]t-t' \rightarrow \tau[/tex] (3)

and the new propagator would be
[tex]G_{1}(R,\tau})[/tex],which would check the LPDE

[tex]\hat{O}_{R,\tau} G_{1}(R,\tau)=\delta(R)\delta(\tau)[/tex](4)

If u say that your propagator is
[tex]G_{1}(R,\tau)=\theta(R-c\tau)[/tex](5)
and u want to compute
[tex]I_{G_{1}}=\int [O_{R,\tau}G_{1}(R,\tau)]\phi(R,\tau)=\int \delta(R)\delta(\tau)\phi(R,\tau) =\phi(0,0)[/tex]

Daniel.
 
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BTW,your problem is set up wrongly.
If u were to do exactly what was indicated,u'd end up with a dalembertian applied to a number (the value of the integral) which would be identically zero.

Daniel.
 
yes, it should look like G(t,t',x,x') but t' and x' are set 0 we kinda did it in the couse that we subsitute it.
[tex]G_{1}(R,\tau)=\theta(R-c\tau)[/tex]
Is practically the same
and this:
[tex]I_{G_{1}}=\int [O_{R,\tau}G_{1}(R,\tau)]\phi(R,\tau)=\int \delta(R)\delta(\tau)\phi(R,\tau) =\phi(0,0)[/tex]
is exactely what I'm supposed to show
Yes the notation looks like ****, but the "box" operator is kinda a differentiation of a distribution here:
[tex]\partial I_{G_{1}}( \phi(t,x)) = I_{\partial G_{1}}( \phi(t,x)) = - I_{G_{1}}( \partial \phi(t,x))[/tex]
could you just help me how you got the last line? or how to solve this one (hope it's right this time):
[itex]\int_{0}^{\infty} dt \int_{-ct}^{ct} dx ( ((1/2c) \partial_{t}^2 - (c/2)\partial_{x}^2)\phi (x,t))[/itex]
 
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Well,i just I've given a proof.Remember that the Green function/propagator is a solution of this eq.
[tex]\hat{O}G(R,\tau)=\delta(R)\delta\tau[/tex]
which means
[tex]\hat{O}\theta(R-c\tau)=\delta(R)\delta\tau[/tex]
,which is just i used to get the integral involving the product of delta functionals and the 'phi'.

Daniel.
 
I know, that this is the solution but in this homework they say I have to show explicit, that this given G actually is a Green function to that Operator by solving that equation. So I'm not allowed to use that equation above with the delta distribution because that is exactely what i have to proof ^^
I Just cleared up that integral and finally got a [tex]\phi(0,0)[/tex] term. still there are some ugly integrals left which i hope will result to 0 somehow ...
 

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