If i know velocity, then i know acceleration right?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between velocity and acceleration in the context of simple harmonic motion. Participants explore how to derive the acceleration from the given velocity equation and discuss the relevant mathematical principles involved.

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  • One participant presents the velocity equation for a particle in simple harmonic motion as \( v = \omega \sqrt{A^2 - x^2} \) and asks how to derive acceleration from it.
  • Another participant provides the standard equations for linear harmonic oscillators, including position, velocity, and acceleration equations, suggesting that initial conditions are necessary for further analysis.
  • There is a request for clarification on the velocity equation, with a suggestion to present it in LaTeX format for better understanding.
  • One participant mentions that to find acceleration, one should substitute \( v = \frac{dx}{dt} \) and integrate to find \( x(t) \), after which velocity and acceleration can be derived.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the acceleration formula can be deduced from energy conservation principles and suggests integrating the ordinary differential equation (ODE) to find \( x(t) \) before differentiating to find acceleration.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to deriving acceleration from the velocity equation. There is no consensus on the best method, and multiple perspectives on the integration process and the use of energy conservation are presented.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the initial velocity equation and its derivation, indicating a potential lack of clarity in the definitions or assumptions being used. The discussion involves mathematical steps that remain unresolved, particularly regarding the integration process.

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For velocity at a certain particle in a simple harmonic oscillation is the following:

v= w (anguluar frequency) times the squareroot of A^2-x^2

but if i wanted to find the acceleration at a certain particle in a simple harmonic oscillation, i can somehow derive a formula from the above equation right? But how would u derive it?

I know that that V= dx/dt ..and a= (d^2)x/dt^2

ugh, i forgot my calculus, anyone clear it up for me?

thanks
 
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for simple hamonic motion
[tex]x = A \sin{( wt-\theta)}[/tex]
I have no idea what is your equation looks like

v= w (anguluar frequency) times the squareroot of A^2-x^2 :confused:

put it in Latex pls...
 
The equations for linear harmonic oscillator are something like that
[tex]x(t)=A\sin(\omega t+\phi)[/tex]
[tex]v_{x}(t)=A\omega\cos(\omega t+\phi)[/tex]
[tex]a_{x}(t)=-A\omega^{2}\sin(\omega t+\phi)[/tex]

Then decide what are the initial conditions.And u can determine the 2 unknowns;

Daniel.
 
[tex]v= w \sqrt{A^2-x^2}[/tex] is that what you trying to say?
 
OKAY, i don't know where did you get this equation... this is right but ppl usually don't write it this way, if you want to find a(t) from your equation, substitude v=dx/dt, you have
[tex]dt=dx/ (w \sqrt{A^2-x^2})[/tex]
integrate both side and you will have[tex]x(t) = Asin(wt+\theta)[/tex]
after you have x(t), everything should be easy
 
yes,

[tex]v= w \sqrt{A^2-x^2}[/tex]

is what i am trying to say, so how can u derive a formula from the above equation for acceleration? that is my question
 
did i just tell you.. do the integral and find x(t)
after you have x(t), v(t)= dx/dt, a(t) = dv/dt
 
nemzy said:
yes,

[tex]v= w \sqrt{A^2-x^2}[/tex]

is what i am trying to say, so how can u derive a formula from the above equation for acceleration? that is my question

The formula is deduced from applying the law of energy conservation.Once u integrate this ODE (using the method prescribed above),you need to diff.2 times wrt to time to find the acceleration.

Daniel.
 

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