Finding Length of Line Traced by f(x)

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The discussion centers on finding the length of the line traced by a function f(x), exploring various methods and formulas applicable to different types of functions, including polynomials and trigonometric functions. The scope includes theoretical approaches, mathematical reasoning, and numerical methods.

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  • One participant inquires about formulas for calculating the length of the line traced by a function f(x), specifically mentioning linear functions and expressing uncertainty about higher-degree polynomials.
  • Another participant cites a theorem from calculus that provides a formula for the length of a curve when the derivative of the function is continuous over a specified interval.
  • A different participant notes that for polynomials of degree three or higher, the integral for calculating the length cannot be computed exactly and refers to the need for numerical methods, mentioning "LEGENDRE ELLIPTIC INTEGRALS."
  • One participant elaborates on the concept of approximating the length of a curve using small line segments and discusses the limiting process that leads to the integral formula for length, emphasizing the challenges posed by the square root in evaluations.
  • This participant also suggests that numerical methods, such as Simpson's rule, may be necessary for approximating lengths when explicit evaluation is difficult.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of calculating lengths for higher-degree polynomials, with some advocating for numerical methods while others focus on theoretical approaches. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best method for all cases.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the continuity of derivatives and the specific conditions under which certain formulas apply. The discussion also highlights the complexity introduced by the square root in length calculations.

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Are there any formulas for finding the length of the line traced out by some function f()?

IE: If f(x) = cx + b where c and b are constants
The length from 0 to x is:
l(x) = sqr(x^2 + (cx)^2)

But I don't know what to do for any polynomial above a line.
I can make a summation for it, but don't know how to simplify.

l(x) = lim[t->infinity](sum[n = 0 to t](sqr( 1/x^2 + (f(x*n/t)-f(x*(n+1)/t)))^2)))

Basically the sum of arbitrarily small linear approximations.


I figure the length of sin() and cos() are related to pi somehow...
 
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As written in my calculus textbook:

Theorem: Let f be afunction s.t. f ' is continuous on [a,b]. The length L of the curve joining the points R(a,f(a)) and S(b,f(b)) is given by

[tex]L=\int_a^b\sqrt{1+(f '(x))^2}dx[/tex]
 
For a polynomial y=y(x) of degree larger or equal to three,the integral cannot be computed exactly.U'd be dealing with so-called "LEGENDRE ELLIPTIC INTEGRALS".
Only numerical methids would work.

Daniel.
 
Alkatran said:
Basically the sum of arbitrarily small linear approximations.
This is exactly how the length is defined if you take the limiting process.
I'll use slightly different notation then you did.

A small line segment of width [itex]\Delta x[/itex] can be approximated by:
[tex]\sqrt{(\Delta x)^2+(\Delta y)}[/tex]

by cutting up the interval [a,b] into n subintervals of width [itex]\Delta x[/itex], you can approximate the length by:

[tex]L \approx \sum_{i=1}^n\sqrt{(\Delta x_i)^2+(\Delta y_i)}=\sum_{i=1}^n\sqrt{1+(\frac{\Delta y_i}{\Delta x_i})^2}\Delta x_i[/tex]

The approximation gets better of n gets larger.
The length of the curve is defined by:

[tex]L=\lim_{n \to \infty}\sum_{i=1}^n\sqrt{1+(\frac{\Delta y_i}{\Delta x_i})^2}\Delta x_i=\int_a^b \sqrt{1+y'(x)^2}dx[/tex]

The square root often makes it very difficult or impossible to evaluate explicitly. We'll have to resort to approximating the length. With Simpson's rule for example.
 
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