Maximizing Volume of a Container Using Quadratic Equations

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The discussion revolves around maximizing the volume of a container formed by cutting squares from the corners of a rectangular sheet of metal. The subject area includes calculus, specifically the application of derivatives to find critical points and optimize volume. Participants also explore a related mathematical problem involving the verification of a derivative for a function defined in terms of a variable.

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  • Participants discuss the derivative of the function y = x^(-1/2) and its relationship to the equation y' + y/2x = 0, with some questioning the correctness of their substitutions and simplifications. The original poster also expresses confusion regarding the quadratic equation derived from the volume function, leading to discussions about the signs and solutions of the quadratic.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts to derive the correct expressions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the signs in the derivative and the nature of the solutions to the quadratic equation, but there is no explicit consensus on the final outcomes yet.

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Participants mention encountering irrational solutions and the need to verify their calculations, indicating potential constraints in their problem-solving process. There is also a reference to the original poster's confusion about the results obtained from their quadratic equation.

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I need a little help. Could someone get me started (or tell me what's wrong with what I have)?

1. Show that if y = x^(-1/2), x>o, then y' + y/2x = 0
First I found the derivative of y, which came to be -1/2 x^(-3/2). Then I added it to y/2x, and substituted the value of y in terms of x, but it didn't work. I'm left with a fraction and nasty exponents.

2. A rectangle is made by cutting out four squares of x cm length from the corners of a 25 cm by 40 cm rectangular sheet of metal and folding the remaining sheet to form the container. What size squares must be cut out in order to maximize the volume of the container?

First, I stated that V= lwh and l= 40-2x, w=25-2x, h= x and, plugging in these values, I found that dV/dx = 1000-260x-12x^2. Then I solved it quadratically and it didn't work.

Could you put me in the right direction? Thanks!
 
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For Question 1, [tex]y' + \frac{y}{2x} = 0[/tex]. This means that you have to show that [tex]y' = -\frac{y}{2x}[/tex] or [tex]y' = - \frac{x^{-\frac{1}{2}}}{2x}[/tex]. This is because [tex]y = x^{-\frac{1}{2}}[/tex].

You say that you managed to find that [tex]y' = -\frac{1}{2}x^{-\frac{3}{2}}[/tex]. This is correct.

So now you just have to play around with [tex]-\frac{1}{2}x^{-\frac{3}{2}}[/tex] and try to turn it into [tex]- \frac{x^-{\frac{1}{2}}}{2x}[/tex].
 
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Sombra said:
I need a little help. Could someone get me started (or tell me what's wrong with what I have)?

1. Show that if y = x^(-1/2), x>o, then y' + y/2x = 0
First I found the derivative of y, which came to be -1/2 x^(-3/2). Then I added it to y/2x, and substituted the value of y in terms of x, but it didn't work. I'm left with a fraction and nasty exponents.

Derivative correct, substitution wrong. Try again, and you should get the right answer.

2. A rectangle is made by cutting out four squares of x cm length from the corners of a 25 cm by 40 cm rectangular sheet of metal and folding the remaining sheet to form the container. What size squares must be cut out in order to maximize the volume of the container?

First, I stated that V= lwh and l= 40-2x, w=25-2x, h= x and, plugging in these values, I found that dV/dx = 1000-260x-12x^2. Then I solved it quadratically and it didn't work.

Could you put me in the right direction? Thanks!

There is a sign wrong in your expression for dV/dx. Fix it and it should be good.
 
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I found that dV/dx = 1000-260x-12x^2.

Check your signs there.

Edit : Nevermind. curious just said the same thing.
 
ok, I got the 1st one. For the second one, I did have the sign right, I just typed it wrong here. I still end up with an irrational quadratic equation.
 
What solution do you get for the quadratic ?
 
Sombra said:
ok, I got the 1st one. For the second one, I did have the sign right, I just typed it wrong here. I still end up with an irrational quadratic equation.

It's nothing of the sort. I get one clean integer solution, the other rational but nonintegral solution is obviously inadmissible. Check your work again.
 
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Hmm. One of my solutions was not an integer; it was rational, though.
 
I too get nice numbers. You can solve quite easily by first taking out tha factor of 4 and then writing 65 = 50 + 15.
 
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recon said:
Hmm. One of my solutions was not an integer; it was rational, though.

Yeah, I mistyped that post, I've edited it.
 
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hmmm I got 5. That seems to work. Thanks!
 
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Wait a minute...where did 5 come from?
 
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I got 5 too...and 50/3, which is inadmissible.
 
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5 is right.
 
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I can barely read my own handwriting...Sorry! :redface:
 

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