Spring with constant k cut in two

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The discussion revolves around the effects on the spring constant (k) when a spring is cut into two parts. Participants are exploring the relationship between the length of the spring and its spring constant, as well as the implications of cutting the spring.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to reason that the k value remains unchanged upon cutting the spring, while others suggest considering the relationship between spring length and spring constant. Some participants question the relevance of Young's modulus in this context and explore the mathematical implications of cutting the spring.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided hints and guidance without reaching a consensus. There is an acknowledgment of the relationship between spring constant and length, but clarity on the exact changes remains uncertain.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of homework rules, which limit the provision of explicit answers. The original poster is seeking a mathematical explanation for the changes in the spring constant upon cutting the spring.

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Been thinking for a long time and can't come up with a conclusion!

If you have a spring with a constant k value and you cut the spring in two(not exactly in half), does the k value change in the springs or stay the same?

I'm thinking that the K value does not change because the length of the new springs doesn't have anything to do with the k value. I have been asked to come up with mathematical answer to this question but can't seem to find one but F = -kx
 
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Is this homework ? Because if it is, I can't give you an explicit answer.

But I can give you a hint. Think of two springs that are put in series (one connected to the end of the other). What is the spring constant of the combined spring in terms of the spring constants of both smaller springs ? The same force acts through both but the total extension is the sum of the extensions of each smaller spring. The situation obtained by cutting a spring in two is the reverse of this.
 
ok...i think i come up with a conclusion...but I'm not sure of how I did it exactly...was reading up on Young's modulus and "found" out that k is inversely affected by length...So if you cut the spring in 2, the k constant will change from k to k(initial length/final length) for one spring. I'm not sure if i am right...can anyone confirm?
 
yep u r rite
 
vancoland said:
ok...i think i come up with a conclusion...but I'm not sure of how I did it exactly...was reading up on Young's modulus and "found" out that k is inversely affected by length...So if you cut the spring in 2, the k constant will change from k to k(initial length/final length) for one spring. I'm not sure if i am right...can anyone confirm?

Well, you don't have to bring the Young Modulus into the picture at all. The formula for the final spring constant [itex]k[/itex] of two springs with constants [itex]k_1[/itex] and [itex]k_2[/itex] which are in series is like the formula for adding resistances in parallel.

[tex]\frac{1}{k} = \frac{1}{k_1} + \frac{1}{k_2}[/tex]

Using either this, or considering the contribution of each part-spring to the total extension, you should be able to figure it out.
 

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