Integration by substituition question.

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The discussion revolves around an integration problem involving the integral of a rational function with a square root in the denominator, specifically \(\int \frac{x^3}{\sqrt{x^2 - 1}} dx\). The original poster attempts to solve it using substitution, but finds a discrepancy between their answer and the one provided in the textbook.

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's substitution method and the resulting expressions. Some question whether the two answers are equivalent, while others suggest additional steps to reconcile the differences. There is also mention of verifying answers by differentiation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for further exploration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of the original poster's result to match the textbook answer, but there is no explicit consensus on the matter.

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Participants express concerns about potential penalties for presenting an answer in a different form during examinations. There is mention of alternative substitution methods that could be employed.

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I'm able to do this question but my answer is different from that in the book.

[tex]\int \frac {x^3}{\sqrt{ x^2 -1}} dx[/tex]

what I did was to take the substituition [tex]u= (x^2-1)^1^/^2[/tex]

so, [tex]x^2 -1 = u^2[/tex]

[tex]x^2 = u^2+1[/tex]
[tex]x= (u^2+1)^1^/^2[/tex]
[tex]x^3= (u^2+1)^3^/^2[/tex]
[tex]dx= \frac {1}{2}(u^2+1)^-^1^/^2 (2u)du[/tex]
[tex]dx= u(u^2+1)^-^1^/^2 du[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac {x^3}{\sqrt{ x^2 -1}} dx= \int \frac {(u^2+1)^3^/^2}{u} . \frac {u}{(u^2+1)^1^/^2} du[/tex]

which simplifies to,

[tex]\int u^2+1 du[/tex]
[tex]\frac {1}{3} u^3 +u+C[/tex]
[tex]\frac {1}{3} (x^2-1)^3^/^2 + (x^2-1)^1^/^2[/tex]

that's my final answer but the book gave,

[tex]\frac {1}{3} (x^2+2)\sqrt{x^2-1}+C[/tex]

where does my mistake lie?
 
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Are you sure your answer is not the book's answer?
 
Yap,it's the same "animal".It's just the fur is a little shady...

Daniel.
 
if your ever unsure of your answer ...you can always take the derivative of your answer and see if you get the integrand.
 
your answer is fine... you need one more step to get the text answer
[tex]\frac {1}{3} (x^2-1)^3^/^2 + (x^2-1)^1^/^2[/tex]
[tex]= (x^2-1)^1^/^2 (\frac {1}{3}(x^2-1) +1)[/tex]
[tex]= (x^2-1)^1^/^2 (\frac {1}{3}x^2-\frac {1}{3}+1)[/tex]
[tex]= (x^2-1)^1^/^2 (\frac {1}{3}x^2+\frac {2}{3})[/tex]
[tex]\frac {1}{3} (x^2+2)\sqrt{x^2-1}[/tex] :
 
Isn't y^(3/2) = (y)(y^(1/2)) ? Rearrange and simplify what you've got and it should come out the same.

EDIT : NM, Vincent has shown the working
 
MathStudent said:
if your ever unsure of your answer ...you can always take the derivative of your answer and see if you get the integrand.

hey thanks, that's a very good tip !

I am wondering if the answer which I gave is in a different form from the one in the answer script during an exam, will I be penalised?
 
Unless your teacher is a narrow minded s.o.b.,i don't see why.If i were u,on this integral i would have gone for another substitution,using hyperbolic sine and cosine.


Daniel.
 

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