What is the energy of a free electron?

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The discussion revolves around the energy of a free electron, exploring concepts such as rest mass energy, kinetic energy, and the implications of the electron's wave-particle duality. Participants examine the relationship between an electron's velocity, its wavelength, and its energy in various contexts, including theoretical frameworks and practical scenarios.

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  • Some participants propose that the total energy of a particle includes both rest mass energy and kinetic energy, with the rest mass energy being relevant when the particle is at rest.
  • Others argue that an electron cannot have zero velocity without implications for its wave function, suggesting that a stationary electron would have an infinite wavelength.
  • A participant questions whether an electron detached from an atom could be considered to have purely particle nature, given its dual nature and the forces acting on it.
  • Some participants highlight the uncertainty principle, noting that an exact velocity of zero would imply a distribution of the electron over all space.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which the wave function of an electron can be accelerated and how this relates to measuring energy and momentum.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of an electron being stationary, the interpretation of infinite wavelength, and the nature of the forces acting on a detached electron. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of energy and force, the implications of the uncertainty principle, and the varying interpretations of wave-particle duality in different contexts.

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is it just E=mc^2 or does it have KE,I mean can a electron be stationary,so that its wavelength is zero.
 
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The total energy E of a particle is explained here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relati...ion#The_relativistic_energy-momentum_equation

m is the rest mass of a particle, so mc2 is it's equivalent energy 'at rest'...that is, in the same frame of reference as the particle. If you speed up, then so does the electron relative to you and it appears to acquire KE. You travel further into a gravitational potential, it will appear to acquire PE...relative to you.

Any electron 'is stationary' when you move in the same frame as it. But that does not mean
it's debroglie wavelength is zero. The DeBroglie relations are explained here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debroglie_Wavelength#The_de_Broglie_relations
 
its stated as lamda=h/mv right ; when v=0,lamda=infinite.. does that mean electron which is away from the atom when left with zero force has infinite wavelength
 
v=0 as exact value would imply that the electron is distributed over the whole space (uncertainty relation!).

The kinetic energy (distribution) and its wavelength (distribution) depend on the system in which you look at the electron.

lambda=h/p is a nice thing remember, but it is not sufficient to describe the wave function of particles, so keep in mind that there are situations where it is not useful to take this formula.
 
suppose we have a collider where electron is made to collide with electron.for this to happen electron is detached from a atom,during this process there may be a stage at which applied force by us equals coloumbs attractive force of nucleus and hence electron detaches outside,now we know electron has dual nature,but at this point of time appears to have purely particle nature because accelerating a wave is not possible right.? and also u know the region where detached electron is present by calculating net force on ejected electron,when net force is zero electron does not have enough KE to move to far from its source..does this mean it voilates dual nature of electron
 
Hello.

mfb said:
v=0 as exact value would imply that the electron is distributed over the whole space (uncertainty relation!).

It does not matter. We can measure exact value of energy and momentum of free electron in infinite time interval and infinite space distribution that do not matter in this question.

Regards.
 
aditya23456 said:
during this process there may be a stage at which applied force by us equals coloumbs attractive force of nucleus and hence electron detaches outside
No. There could be a position where these forces are equal (and even that is a classical approximation). But as the electron is not at a specific point, "the current force on an electron" is not well-defined.

You can accelerate the wave function of an electron. There is nothing wrong with that.
sweet springs said:
We can measure exact value of energy and momentum of free electron in infinite time interval and infinite space distribution that do not matter in this question.
The question was how an "infinite wavelength" could be interpreted. And the answer is that this situation can occur only if the electron is distributed over the whole space.
 

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