Can Electromagnetic Radiation Help Define Absolute Rest in the Universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of using electromagnetic radiation to define absolute rest in the universe. Participants explore the implications of acceleration, reference frames, and the nature of radiation in relation to motion, touching on principles from special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if an electron does not radiate unless its velocity changes, this property could potentially be used to determine absolute rest.
  • Another participant counters that an object not accelerating is not necessarily at rest, as it could be moving at a constant velocity, highlighting the relative nature of motion.
  • A third participant introduces the concept of special relativity, noting that while a wire is neutral, a charged object could present a paradox regarding radiation in different frames of reference.
  • Further, a participant illustrates a scenario involving different frames of reference, arguing that the laws of physics are equivalent in both frames, yet observers may measure different values for acceleration, suggesting that acceleration can be considered relative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of rest and acceleration, indicating that there is no consensus on whether electromagnetic radiation can define absolute rest. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of motion, reference frames, and the conditions under which radiation occurs. These factors are not fully explored, leaving some statements dependent on specific interpretations of relativity.

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Hi,

I'm looking into electromagnetic radiation at the moment and something has just entered my head. If its true that an electron will not radiate unless its velocity changes with time then could this property be used to determine absolute rest. That is, how can we know that if something is really at rest in the universe, even the wire (and thus the electrons) i am holding is accelerating at the rate of the rotation of the Earth so even it must be radiating even though i consider it to be at rest relative to me.
 
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If an object is not accelerating, it is not necessarily at rest -- it could also be moving at a constant velocity. Acceleration is not "relative" in the same way as uniform motion.

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beckett said:
even the wire (and thus the electrons) i am holding is accelerating at the rate of the rotation of the Earth so even it must be radiating even though i consider it to be at rest relative to me.

Welcome to special relativity. A wire is neutral, but if it was a static-charged balloon instead, you would seem to have a paradox. This what Einsteins's 1905 paper is about. It is apparent that you have radiation in the rest frame, yet none in the accelerating frame.
 
You: "Ah, a charge that is not radiating, it must not be accelerating!"

<Your friend in a free falling gravity frame that is locally equivalent to yours. He can toss a balll back and forth between his hands the same way that you can.>

"I see the charge radiating man, its accelerating."

The point is, physics laws in his frame of reference are equivalent to yours*, and you both measure different values for the acceleration of a charge. Therefore acceleration is relative, if you want it to be.

*with the proper tensor formulation of the laws of physics.
 

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